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Joe Rogan Experience #2474 - Dave Smith
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The new US military intervention in Iran, supposedly a swift regime change, is already a disastrous quagmire costing billions and leading to American casualties, contrary to claims it would be quick and bloodless like past operations. This highlights how easily military actions are misjudged and how difficult it is to disengage once a conflict escalates.
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Howard Lutnick, former Commerce Secretary, was accused of his firm, Caner Fitzgerald, exploring or facilitating trades worth around $10 million in tariff refund rights that would profit if Trump's tariffs were overturned. The firm claims it never executed such transactions.
Ann Coulter's book "Adios America" (circa 2014-2015), citing a Bear Stearns analysis, estimated between 30 and 50 million undocumented immigrants in the U.S. before the Biden administration, challenging official numbers and highlighting a widespread societal issue.
A Quinnipiac poll found 54% of U.S. voters oppose military action against Iran, with 39% supporting it. Among Democrats, opposition is at 92%, while 86% of Republicans support it, indicating a deep partisan divide on ongoing foreign policy decisions.
Iran's response to the current U.S. military action differs significantly from prior incidents, as it aimed to inflict a 'bloody nose and a black eye,' resulting in over a dozen American deaths and hundreds wounded, unlike the more restrained responses seen after 9/11 or the "12-day war."
The UFC's new deal with Paramount Plus now offers all pay-per-view events to subscribers for a monthly fee of $13.99 (or $139 annually for the ad-free premium plan), potentially saving loyal fans money (previously $70 per pay-per-view) but raising questions about the long-term business model.
The upcoming UFC fight at the White House in June is problematic due to potential 100-degree temperatures and 67% humidity, which could severely impact fighter performance and safety, especially for athletes who undergo severe weight cuts.
New Iran war quickly becomes a costly quagmire, defying initial expectations
The current military action against Iran, initiated by the U.S. administration, has rapidly devolved into a significant quagmire, directly contradicting initial assessments that it would be a swift, bloodless, and easy path to regime change. Early indications suggest the conflict has already resulted in over a dozen American deaths and hundreds wounded, with substantial damage to assets in the region. This outcome stands in stark contrast to previous interventions like those in Venezuela, which were presented as quick victories. The Pentagon's concept of "escalation dominance," where U.S. forces could dictate the terms of conflict, does not apply here; Iran has demonstrated the capability to target U.S. ships, bases, embassies, and allies, escalating the situation. This shift in Iranian response, from prior restraint (e.g., after 9/11 or the "12-day war" where they deliberately avoided U.S. casualties) to actively inflicting a "bloody nose and a black eye," highlights a miscalculation of their resolve. The financial cost is also soaring, with requests for $200 billion, pushing the war's expense into the tens of billions already, covering munitions, military movements, and damage. This situation creates a difficult exit strategy for the administration, as declaring victory now would be challenging given the human and financial costs without clear gains. The intervention is not only causing instability but also demonstrating how easily a foreign policy initiative, even one framed as humanitarian, can spiral out of control when the adversary is underestimated and the political landscape is complex. The public opposition to this war is substantial, with a Quinnipiac poll showing 54% of U.S. voters against it, including 92% of Democrats, indicating a significant disconnect between government action and public sentiment. This raises crucial questions about the underlying motivations for engaging in such a conflict, especially when considering the historical context of U.S. foreign policy and the influence of foreign lobbies.
Allegations of corruption and conflicts of interest in government dealings
Discussions brought to light serious allegations of corruption and conflicts of interest within government circles, particularly concerning Howard Lutnick, formerly with the Commerce Department. His former firm, Caner Fitzgerald, chaired by his son, was accused of exploring or even facilitating trades around $10 million in tariff refund rights. These rights would only become valuable if Trump's tariffs were overturned, creating a potential financial gain tied to a political outcome. While the firm publicly denied executing such transactions, insisting contrary reports were false and that they backed off due to "political optics," the controversy underscores public skepticism about transparency in government. The incident highlights concerns about individuals in powerful positions potentially leveraging their influence or access for personal or corporate financial benefit. The broader discussion also touched on the perceived widespread corruption in government, from insider trading in Congress to questionable deals often made without public scrutiny, leading to a general sentiment that "everything's dirty" except for seemingly mundane but efficient services like the post office. This erosion of trust is a recurring theme, fueling public cynicism about political motives and financial ethics.
The controversial issue of undocumented immigration and border security
The conversation also delved into the contentious issue of undocumented immigration, raising alarming figures about the number of individuals living in the U.S. outside legal channels. Anne Coulter's book, "Adios America," from around 2014-2015, cited an analysis (purportedly from Bear Stearns) estimating 30 to 50 million undocumented immigrants in the country well before the Biden administration. This suggests a long-standing and escalating problem, with at least an additional 10 million believed to have entered during the Biden years through the southern border. The discussion highlighted how vast numbers of border apprehensions (e.g., 700,000 in one month) underscore the scale of uncontrolled entry. Beyond immigration policy, the humanitarian crisis along the border, including significant sex trafficking of children, was emphasized as a horrific consequence. The deployment of ICE agents at airports, with reports of them being unmasked and not identifying themselves while questioning citizens, raised concerns about constitutional rights and the overreach of federal agencies. A particularly chilling revelation was the claim from a credible, though unnamed, source that individuals directly affiliated with terrorist organizations have applied for asylum in the U.S. and cannot be deported until their lengthy legal processes are exhausted. This raises profound national security questions and feeds into the concept of "suicidal empathy," where a society, out of misplaced compassion, may inadvertently undermine its own preservation by failing to enforce borders and vet entrants rigorously. It also brings into sharp focus the deep public opposition to open borders, with polls indicating that perhaps only 1% of the country supports such a policy, indicating a significant disconnect between public will and perceived government actions. This situation contributes to a sense of profound government treachery against its own citizens and an irreversible demographic shift.
The UFC's new streaming model with Paramount Plus
The UFC's transition to offering all pay-per-view events on Paramount Plus for a monthly subscription fee, replacing the previous pay-per-view model, is a significant shift in the broadcasting landscape. While loyal fans previously paid around $70 per pay-per-view, they can now access all events for Paramount's monthly subscription of approximately $13.99, or $139 annually (premium ad-free plan with Showtime included). This change is seen as a substantial saving for the consumer and a strategic move by Paramount to attract new subscribers and integrate the UFC's large, dedicated fanbase into its streaming ecosystem. The idea is that an influx of UFC viewers will explore other Paramount Plus content, leading to sustained subscriptions. This model aims to capitalize on the increasing trend of digital content consumption, providing a consolidated platform for entertainment and combating illegal streaming, which was a concern under the old pay-per-view structure. The move, however, also reflects a broader evolution in how sports content is delivered and monetized, shifting from individual event purchases to bundled subscription services and potentially expanding the sport's reach to a wider, more casual audience.
Impact of fight conditions at the White House UFC event
The planned UFC event at the White House in June raises significant concerns about fighter performance and safety due to the outdoor setting and anticipated weather conditions. Historical data for June 14th in Washington D.C. shows average humidity around 67% and temperatures reaching 100°F in 2024, with typical highs in the mid-80s and an 80% chance of thunderstorms. These extreme conditions, particularly fighting at noon, could severely impact athletes who often undergo radical dehydration for weight cuts just 24 hours prior to competing. Fighting in such heat and humidity is akin to competing in a sauna, potentially leading to rapid fatigue, increased risk of injury, and compromised tactical execution. This is especially critical for championship fights, where optimal conditions are desired for peak performance. The unusual environment, including the lack of air-conditioned warm-up areas, could introduce unforeseen variables, affecting the integrity of the contests and the athletes' health. Concerns were also raised about commentators, like Joe Rogan, whose comfort and performance could be affected by the heat, highlighting the broader logistical challenges of moving a high-stakes combat sport outside of a controlled arena environment.
Challenges with MMA weight classes and judging
The current structure of MMA weight classes and judging faces significant scrutiny, with several perceived flaws impacting fighter safety and fairness. The radical weight cutting process, where fighters dehydrate to shed significant pounds and then rehydrate, is deemed unhealthy and dangerous, potentially compromising performance and long-term health. The speaker advocates for more numerous weight classes, perhaps every 10 pounds, to reduce the need for extreme cuts and ensure fighters compete closer to their natural weight. The naming conventions of MMA weight classes are also criticized for being nonsensical, as they often borrow names from boxing but assign them to different weight thresholds, causing confusion and lacking originality. For instance, UFC's lightweight is 155 lbs, while boxing's is 135 lbs. Furthermore, the lack of consistent and strict rules regarding fouls like eye pokes and nut shots is a point of contention. While accidental, these fouls significantly disadvantage the fouled fighter, yet often result only in warnings or minor penalties, with too much left to referee discretion. Concrete rule changes, such as automatic point deductions for such fouls, are proposed to ensure accountability and minimize their impact on fight outcomes, drawing parallels to the clear foul rules in basketball. The broader issue of referee corruption in sports, even extending to the influencing of gambling lines, was also briefly mentioned, suggesting a need for increased oversight and transparency.
The post-truth era: Media, authenticity, and influence
The discussion extensively covered the erosion of trust in corporate media and the rise of authentic voices in independent platforms like podcasts and social media. The corporate media's attempts to mimic the podcast format, complete with similar setups and visual styles, were seen as a shallow and inauthentic response to their declining influence. This phenomenon underscores their fundamental misunderstanding of why audiences are migrating away: people seek authenticity and honesty, which professional news anchors, trained to read teleprompters and avoid deviation, often fail to provide. The perceived dishonesty and consistent misrepresentation of facts over numerous crises have led to a mass exodus of viewers and listeners from traditional outlets. This shift has created an environment where figures like Joe Rogan and other podcasters thrive due to their genuine, unscripted personalities, regardless of agreement with their opinions. The conversation also touched upon the weaponization of social media and the role of bots and state-sponsored actors in manipulating public discourse, making it difficult to discern genuine sentiment. Despite these challenges, the direct access to information and diverse perspectives offered by independent platforms is seen as a crucial development, giving the public a voice and fostering greater awareness of political manipulation and propaganda. The rise of these alternative sources is seen as a positive force in challenging established narratives, even when grappling with misinformation and the potential for division. This dynamic is exemplified by the drastic shift in public opinion regarding Israel, which has seen a 50-point drop in U.S. approval over the last 2.5 years, a change that the traditional media apparatus has struggled to control or explain away, highlighting its diminishing power in shaping public perception.
The complex legacy of Donald Trump and the political landscape
The discussion delved into the complex and often contradictory legacy of Donald Trump, particularly his foreign policy stances and the evolving political landscape. Trump's initial appeal stemmed from his promise to end "forever wars" and his willingness to openly criticize the "military-industrial complex," a sentiment that resonated with a broad, independent base. This anti-war stance, alongside his focus on border security, earned him support from various segments of the electorate. However, his actions, particularly the current military engagement in Iran, are seen by some as a betrayal of these promises, leading to the fragmentation of his coalition. Critics point to the influence of foreign lobbies, specifically the Israeli lobby, as a key factor in pushing for the Iran conflict, citing Trump's own comments about receiving money from "Adles" (likely the Adelson family) and their demands on behalf of Israel. The conversation highlighted instances where Trump broke protocol, such as questioning the rationale behind wars and even stating that the U.S. has its own "killers" in reference to military actions. This willingness to speak inconvenient truths, though often crude, was both a source of his popularity and the reason for intense opposition from political establishments. The evolution of "never Trumpers," particularly neoconservatives and some prominent conservative commentators like Ben Shapiro, from fierce critics to staunch supporters, was noted as a significant shift. This shift suggests a re-alignment where some traditional figures embrace Trump, particularly when he aligns with their foreign policy objectives, even if it contradicts his earlier non-interventionist rhetoric. The broader political discourse is described as increasingly fractionalized, with rigid ideological groups (MAGA, woke, etc.) hindering nuanced discussion and the pursuit of common sense solutions, pushing the idea that only AI could manage society fairly.
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Howard Lutnick's former firm, Cantor Fitzgerald, was accused of exploring and facilitating the purchase of tariff refund rights. These rights would become valuable if former President Trump's tariffs were overturned. Critics argued this presented a conflict of interest due to Lutnick's government position as Commerce Secretary, although the firm denies executing most of the alleged transactions. It did facilitate one trade of around $10 million in rights.
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Heavyweight MMA fighter who went toe-to-toe with Ciryl Gane but got 'lit up'.
Commerce Secretary accused of potentially profiting from shorting tariffs while holding a government position, and for allegedly downplaying his ties to Jeffrey Epstein.
Former boxing world champion who is discussed about him saying 'Mac loves you is all'
Financier known for sex trafficking, mentioned in connection with Howard Lutnick's alleged downplaying of their relationship.
Journalist and former television news anchor, mentioned as someone Dave Smith debated where he observed intellectual dishonesty.
Former US President, discussed in relation to tariffs, border security, impeachment, his administration's foreign policy (especially regarding Iran), and his political coalition.
Son-in-law of Donald Trump, mentioned for his business dealings potentially conflicting with his role in the Trump administration, particularly as a lead negotiator.
Former UFC Welterweight Champion, mentioned in the context of the UFC 3 video game.
MMA fighter known for his grappling, who allegedly quit video games to focus on jiu-jitsu and became highly skilled.
Former UFC Lightweight and Welterweight Champion, mentioned as part of the era in which Joe Lauzon started his UFC career.
Former UFC Lightweight Champion, mentioned as a champion during Joe Lauzon's UFC career.
Professional basketball player, used as an example of an athlete whose mistakes are less immediately punishing than those in MMA.
Former UFC Welterweight Champion, discussed in the context of his knockout loss to Leon Edwards and how it affected his strategy in their subsequent fight.
UFC Welterweight Champion, known for his head kick knockout of Kamaru Usman and his subsequent victory in their rubber match.
UFC commentator, praised for his call during Leon Edwards' knockout of Kamaru Usman.
MMA fighter, discussed during his second fight with Conor McGregor, highlighting his confidence growth and effective use of calf kicks.
Irish MMA superstar, known for his explosive fighting style, ability to thrive under pressure, dynamic personality, and his calf kick defense issues against Dustin Poirier.
Undefeated boxing champion, mentioned in the context of Conor McGregor's boxing-heavy training influencing his stance for later MMA fights.
Former UFC Featherweight Champion, hailed as one of the greatest featherweights, whose composure was noted to be affected by Conor McGregor's pre-fight antics.
MMA fighter, mentioned as an opponent of Conor McGregor during a discussion of McGregor's early career popularity.
Evolutionary behavioral scientist, known for his concept of 'suicidal empathy' and for publicly criticizing Dave Smith as 'Wikipedia Dave'.
Comedian, television host, and political commentator, mentioned as the platform where Sam Harris recently discussed Dave Smith again.
Former US President, mentioned in relation to Hillary Clinton pushing for the Libya intervention and for spearheading the JCPOA Iran nuclear deal, which Donald Trump later abandoned.
Director of Counterterrorism under Donald Trump, who advised him on swiftly removing the Iranian regime and later resigned.
Woman killed during the January 6th Capitol riot, cited as an example by right-wingers to justify government violence against insurrectionists.
Co-host of the 'Trigonometry' podcast, appreciated for his nuanced stance on the 12-day war versus the current conflict with Iran, despite other disagreements.
Person Dave Smith debated, leading to an embarrassing interaction involving insults, highlighting the lack of good faith in some online arguments.
Journalist and author, mentioned for his debate with Coleman Hughes about Israel's influence on US foreign policy.
Broadcaster and journalist, mentioned as the host of a show where Dave Smith debated Coleman Hughes about Venezuela and as someone Ben Shapiro criticized for having Dave Smith on.
Former Israeli Prime Minister, discussed in the context of his stance on the Iraq War, originally wanting the US to invade Iran first.
Conservative pundit and attorney, mentioned as someone Dave Smith debated at Princeton University.
Libertarian author and podcast host, recommended as a more knowledgeable critic of Israel for Ben Shapiro to debate.
MMA legend, mentioned for his leg break injury and as the 'greatest middleweight of all time' during the discussion of Travis Lutter's fight.
MMA fighter, mentioned for his leg break injury, similar to Anderson Silva's.
Comedian and friend of Dave Smith, they watched a Conor McGregor fight together in an Irish pub.
Author and political commentator, criticized for an op-ed where he questioned Dave Smith's expertise in foreign policy but not MMA.
Founder of al-Qaeda, whose logic regarding civilians as fair targets due to elections was invoked to critique arguments about Gaza.
Neuroscientist, philosopher, and author, criticized for his views on Islam, his stance on COVID-19 vaccines, and his refusal to debate Brett Weinstein.
Former leader of Libya, discussed in context of Russell Crowe's observations on his rule, particularly regarding social programs, and Hillary Clinton's role in the intervention against him.
Actor, mentioned for his viral clip discussing Muammar Gaddafi's rule and Libya's post-intervention state.
Former Secretary of State, criticized for championing the intervention in Libya (dubbed 'Hillary's war'), leading to Libya becoming a failed state.
Conservative political commentator, cited for his perspective on 'Iraq war syndrome' and for being a 'never Trumper' who later supported Donald Trump as well as refusing to debate critics of Israel.
Former US President, credited with defeating 'Vietnam war syndrome' through military actions in Panama and Iraq.
Prime Minister of Israel, discussed for his consistent efforts to push the US into war with Iran, his support for the 'Greater Israel project,' and his alleged deceit regarding Iran's nuclear program.
Co-host of the 'Trigonometry' podcast, praised for his genuine and good faith approach to discussions, contrasting with other debaters.
Author, podcast host, and opinion writer, respected for his intelligence and respectful debate style, despite disagreements on foreign policy, particularly concerning Venezuela and Israel.
Conservative activist and radio talk show host, mentioned as someone Dave Smith debated.
Comedian and podcast host, highly praised for his hilarious rants, particularly on the Epstein Files and his unique approach to advertising for Neurogum and Neuromints.
Political commentator, mentioned by Dave Smith as another top ranter, although Tim Dillon's style is preferred.
Owner of Twitter, credited with improving the platform by making it more transparent despite initial backlash, by allowing the public's real voices to be heard.
Conservative political commentator, initially a 'never Trumper' who later became a prominent Trump supporter, also mentioned as someone who Dave Smith wishes he could have a cool conversation with.
Conservative political commentator, mentioned as someone Dave Smith wishes he could have a cool conversation with.
Former UFC Heavyweight Champion, mentioned as Alistair Overeem's opponent in a significant fight.
6'7" Cuban Taekwondo expert and heavyweight knockout artist, proposed as a more interesting opponent for Francis Ngannou than Felipe Lind due to his striking ability.
Former UFC Heavyweight Champion, whose brutal wars with Junior dos Santos are mentioned as having shortened dos Santos's career.
Light heavyweight fighter cut by the UFC, now fighting Francis Ngannou, considered a mismatch given his usual weight class and Ngannou's dominance.
Former UFC Welterweight Champion, mentioned for his insight into how some fighters are naturally better at weight fluctuation than others.
Former UFC Featherweight Champion, loved as one of Joe Rogan's favorite fighters, whose helplessness against Ilia Topuria's ground game was noted.
Heavyweight MMA fighter, described as a 'problem' due to his athleticism, speed, skillful striking, and elite Muay Thai.
Former NBA referee who confirmed referee corruption influenced gambling lines, specifically mentioning the Sacramento Kings vs. Lakers series.
NBA legend, mentioned as part of the Shaquille O'Neal-led Lakers team that was allegedly favored by referees due to their popularity.
CEO of the UFC, quoted for his observation of Conor McGregor's ability to 'eat pressure' and thrive in high-stakes situations.
Former UFC Heavyweight Champion, praised as the 'scariest heavyweight who's ever walked the face of the earth' and discussed for his surprising grappling skills in recent fights.
Mexican boxing legend, used as an example of a lightweight champion at 135 lbs years ago, to illustrate the difference in weight class definitions between boxing and MMA.
Former UFC Light Heavyweight and Heavyweight Champion, praised for his insightful and humorous commentary on Francis Ngannou's grappling.
UFC Featherweight Champion, mentioned as a fighter Ilia Topuria knocked out.
Former UFC Heavyweight Champion, highlighted for his skill, strategy, and ability to withstand damage against Francis Ngannou in their first fight.
MMA fighter whose team is mentioned for incorrectly handling a shoulder dislocation, leading to surgery.
Former UFC Heavyweight Champion, mentioned as a fighter known for fighting off his back, a rare skill in current heavyweight MMA.
MMA fighter, known for his exciting fights, his presence on a fight card is described as a guarantee for entertainment.
Former UFC Heavyweight Champion, described as an 'all-time great' whose long career and tough wars have taken a toll, making him a less suitable opponent for Roelis Despaigne.
American fighter, recognized as an awesome fighter despite winning a recent match due to a freak injury to his opponent.
Former U.S. Representative and politician, initially praised for her non-interventionist stance but later criticized for allegedly backtracking on her opposition to war with Iran and giving misleading statements about Iran's nuclear capabilities.
UFC Featherweight Champion, praised for his 'unbelievably impressive' ability to flatline opponents despite not being tall, and for his skills on the ground, making him a lethal challenge to Justin Gaethje.
Former UFC Heavyweight Champion, highlighted as one of the 'greatest' fighters known for his ground game.
MMA fighter, described as a 'badass' and an opponent Nate Diaz is set to fight, making it a great matchup.
Fighter who suffered a dislocated shoulder and elbow in a fight against Joshua Van, needing substantial recovery time.
NBA legend, mentioned as part of the Kobe Bryant-led Lakers team that was allegedly favored by referees due to their popularity.
Jiu-jitsu specialist and MMA fighter, known for his disastrous weight cut before fighting Anderson Silva, which severely compromised his performance.
Former UFC Light Heavyweight and Heavyweight Champion, seen doing a dance, reflecting Donald Trump's cultural appeal, and also mentioned as a mentor to Gable Steveson.
Former UFC Lightweight Champion, highlighted for his impressive recent performance against Max Holloway and his size.
Heavyweight MMA fighter, tough to fight, whose fight with Ciryl Gane was unfortunately cut short by an eye injury, robbing fans of seeing how he would adjust.
U.S. Representative from Kentucky, endorsed as a presidential candidate hope, praised for standing up for 'America first' principles against the Israel lobby.
UFC Lightweight fighter, mentioned as a 'special talent' with great heart, who is facing a huge, potentially last, opportunity for a title shot at the proposed White House fight.
Former PRIDE FC Heavyweight Champion and UFC Interim Heavyweight Champion, mentioned as a fighter known for fighting off his back, a rare skill in current heavyweight MMA.
Olympic gold medalist wrestler and Jon Jones protégé, expected to be a 'problem' in the UFC due to his elite wrestling, athleticism, and rapidly improving striking.
Howard Lutnick's former firm, now chaired by his son, accused of exploring business in tariff refund rights that would profit if Trump's tariffs were overturned. The firm publicly denies executing any such transactions.
Social media platform (now X), discussed in terms of bot activity, manipulation, and its transformation under Elon Musk.
Streaming service that secured a deal with the UFC, offering pay-per-view events for free to subscribers, which is seen as a strategic business move and a great deal for consumers.
Video game based on the Ultimate Fighting Championship, which Dave Smith enjoyed to the point of realizing its addictive nature.
AI-generated artist whose 50 Cent-style songs are praised for their impressive flow and speed.
AI-powered search engine, jokingly referred to as a sponsor and the future 'President Perplexity' for its unbiased information retrieval.
Product mentioned in a humorous ad by Tim Dillon, highlighting its purported benefits for energy and focus.
Amino acid mentioned as an ingredient in Neuromints for calm and focus.
Vitamin mentioned as an ingredient in Neuromints for energy and focus.
Product mentioned in a humorous ad by Tim Dillon, highlighting its purported benefits for energy and focus through natural green tea caffeine, L-theanine, B12, and B6.
Vitamin mentioned as an ingredient in Neuromints for energy and focus.
News channel, mentioned as the employer of a contributor who falsely accused Dave Smith of having a bot-farmed Twitter account.
Comedy club where Dave Smith performs, used as evidence against an accusation of bot-farmed social media engagement.
NBA team, involved in a notoriously controversial play-off series against the Lakers where referee calls were allegedly influenced.
NBA team, involved in a notoriously controversial play-off series against the Sacramento Kings where referee calls were allegedly influenced in their favor for higher viewership.
Mixed martial arts promotion, discussed in numerous contexts including specific fights, fighter careers, and its new streaming deal with Paramount, and its overall challenges in the heavyweight division.
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