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Edward Norton Interview (Full Episode) | The Tim Ferriss Show (Podcast)

Tim FerrissTim Ferriss
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TL;DR

Edward Norton on acting, conservation, entrepreneurship, and the power of community.

Key Insights

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Surfing serves as a profound meditative practice and a powerful reset for the mind, offering physical and mental benefits.

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Building physical mass for roles like in 'American History X' is more challenging due to the intense dietary and training requirements.

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Authentic acting performance stems from a deep understanding of human behavior and the ability to make counterintuitive, non-obvious choices.

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Crowdfunding platforms like CrowdRise empower individuals to make a significant impact by pooling collective resources and passion.

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The concept of 'self-overcoming' is crucial for personal growth, encouraging continuous learning, evolution, and stepping outside comfort zones.

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True success is defined by a balance between aspirations and personal well-being, rather than solely by fame or wealth.

THE HEALING POWER OF SURFING

Edward Norton describes surfing as his "most positive addiction," stemming from a back injury that led him to discover its therapeutic benefits. The physical demands of paddling and balancing on a board provide a unique form of exercise that counteracts postural issues from sedentary lifestyles. Beyond the physical, he emphasizes surfing's mental and meditative qualities. Reading the nuances of moving water and positioning oneself requires intense presence and focus, akin to a complex video game. The experience is so absorbing that it resets stress and crowded minds, offering a powerful reboot akin to meditation.

PHYSICAL TRANSFORMATION AND ACTING CRAFT

Norton details the rigorous training required to build mass for roles like in 'American History X,' noting the significant challenge of increasing caloric intake and muscle mass. He highlights how the camera can distort perception, making actors appear larger than they are through careful casting and framing. He also discusses the art of acting, emphasizing that authentic performance comes from understanding human behavior and making unexpected, non-obvious choices. The example of Marlon Brando's naturalistic reaction to an unexpected intrusion illustrates the power of instinct over pretense, a stark contrast to forced or 'up-the-middle' choices.

MENTORS AND METHODOLOGIES IN ACTING

His early training was significantly influenced by Toby Orstein, a theater instructor who instilled a serious approach to the craft. Later, in New York, Terry Schreiber taught him the value of a pluralistic approach to acting methodologies, encouraging actors to draw from various techniques. Norton contrasts this with rigid dogma, advocating for a "use what is useful" philosophy. He also shares insights on overcoming performance anxiety, noting that natural behavior often becomes inhibited by self-consciousness under the gaze of a camera or audience, leading to rigidity.

ETHICAL ENTREPRENEURSHIP AND CROWDFUNDING

Norton discusses his involvement with CrowdRise, a platform he co-founded. He explains its evolution from supporting non-profits to enabling direct assistance for individuals facing crises. This expansion was driven by a desire to offer a more supportive and cost-effective alternative to transactional fundraising platforms. He shares a personal experience using the platform for a campaign inspired by Humans of New York's Syrian refugee stories, which rapidly raised over $460,000, demonstrating the power of collective action and empathy. He stresses that crowdfunding allows individuals to make a tangible impact without significant personal sacrifice.

THE POWER OF COLLECTIVE ACTION AND NEW FRONTIERS

He relates the success of the CrowdRise campaign to Alexis de Tocqueville's observations on American civic organization, highlighting the proactive self-organization of people. This concept of distributed empowerment is crucial in an era of resource concentration. Norton is also involved in pioneering research using psilocybin for treatment-resistant depression, emphasizing the need to explore new avenues for mental health treatment outside traditional pharmaceutical approaches. He believes crowdfunding offers a 21st-century expression of collective action, enabling people to rally around ideas and drive change independently of large institutions.

DEFINING SUCCESS AND NAVIGATING ITS TRAPS

Norton reflects on the nature of success, contrasting societal definitions (fame, wealth) with a more balanced view of personal well-being, family time, and health. He acknowledges the "albatross of success" and the culture of personality, finding anchors in his diverse interests, nature, and activities like flying. He cites essays by Tennessee Williams ('The Catastrophe of Success') and Václav Havel ('Second Wind') as profound insights into the challenges of achievement and creative evolution. His advice to his younger self includes committing to fewer obligations and living abroad, underscoring the importance of self-overcoming and continuous discovery.

Common Questions

Edward Norton describes surfing as his 'most positive addiction,' which he started after recovering from a back injury. He finds it meditative, aerobically beneficial, and excellent for core strength and mind-body connection. He also mentions he is a pilot and enjoys flying.

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Media
Birdman

A film for which Edward Norton received an Academy Award nomination, which he describes as being about ego and the voices in one's head.

Foxcatcher

A film directed by Bennett Miller, mentioned as one of his works.

The Power of Nightmares

A three-part documentary film by Adam Curtis, recommended by Edward Norton as brilliant and eye-opening.

A Prophet

A film by Jacques Audiard that Edward Norton considers one of the three best gangster films ever made, alongside 'The Godfather' and 'Goodfellas.'

Rust and Bone

A brilliant film by Jacques Audiard, praised for Marion Cotillard's great performance.

The Illusionist

A film Edward Norton starred in.

Shogun

A television miniseries that sparked Edward Norton's childhood interest in Japanese culture and led him to read James Clavell's book.

The Century of the Self

A four-part documentary film by Adam Curtis, recommended by Edward Norton as brilliant and eye-opening.

Goodfellas

A classic gangster film, which Edward Norton lists as one of the three best alongside 'The Godfather' and 'A Prophet'.

The Revenant

A film by Alejandro G. Iñárritu, described by Edward Norton as an 'absolute unqualified masterpiece' and compared to a Native American spirit myth or Joseph Campbell myth.

The French Lieutenant's Woman

A film starring Meryl Streep and Jeremy Irons, discussed for a scene demonstrating Streep's intuitive and counter-intuitive acting choices.

Fight Club

An iconic film Edward Norton starred in, from which a quote about material possessions owning you is referenced.

Capote

A film directed by Bennett Miller, mentioned as one of his works.

American History X

A film for which Edward Norton received an Academy Award nomination, and for which he underwent specific physical training to build muscle mass.

Moonrise Kingdom

A film Edward Norton starred in.

Choke

A documentary recommended as a great introduction to Hixson Gracie and Japanese culture.

Primal Fear

A film for which Edward Norton received an Academy Award nomination.

The Painted Veil

A film Edward Norton was making in China where he broke his back in three places during a shooting stunt.

The Cruise

A documentary by Bennett Miller, considered by Edward Norton to be possibly his favorite film from the director, about a poetic tour guide in New York City.

The Godfather

A classic gangster film, which Edward Norton lists as one of the three best alongside 'Goodfellas' and 'A Prophet'.

Biutiful

A film by Alejandro G. Iñárritu, described by Edward Norton as an 'extremely underseen masterpiece' prior to Birdman.

The Beat That My Heart Skipped

A film by Jacques Audiard, part of a 'hat-trick' of films Edward Norton recommends.

People
Toby Orstein

The woman who created a local theater arts school in Columbia, Maryland, and was an early mentor to Edward Norton, infusing a sense of seriousness and craft in theater.

Bruce Lee

A martial artist and philosopher whose approach of adopting what is useful and rejecting what is not is likened to Terry Schreiber's pluralist acting philosophy.

Studs Terkel

An American cultural chronicler of the working man and common man, whose approach is compared to that of 'Humans of New York'.

James Fadiman

A psychologist and researcher, mentioned by Tim Ferriss as a podcast guest, often associated with microdosing psychedelics.

Tennessee Williams

The author of 'The Catastrophe of Success,' an essay highly regarded by Edward Norton for its insights into the challenges that follow achieving aspirational goals.

Marion Cotillard

An actress whose performance in 'Rust and Bone' is highlighted by Edward Norton as one of the greatest in recent years.

Royce Gracie

The martial artist who won the first UFC, an event that Edward Norton says 'rewrote people's sense of what the priorities in martial arts should be.'

Ricky Jay

A magician, compared to Hixson Gracie for his level of 'alpha over everybody else' in his craft.

Richard Chamberlain

An actor who starred in the miniseries 'Shogun,' which first sparked Edward Norton's interest in Japanese culture as a child.

Jonathan Spence

Edward Norton's professor and advisor, described as a great modern Chinese historian who wrote definitive books like 'The Search for Modern China,' and made history come alive in his lectures.

Marlon Brando

An acclaimed actor whose unconventional approach to an acting exercise, reacting truthfully rather than performing, is recounted as a story of authentic genius.

Terry Schreiber

An acting teacher in New York who advocated a 'pluralist' approach, encouraging actors to learn diverse methodologies rather than adhering to a single one.

Brandon Stanton

The founder, photographer, and writer for Humans of New York, whose Syrian-American series inspired Edward Norton to launch a crowdfunding campaign.

Dan Engle

A physician and expert in the field of psychedelic medicine, mentioned by Tim Ferriss as a podcast guest.

Harold Pinter

A playwright and screenwriter mentioned as a possible writer of 'The French Lieutenant's Woman' script.

Stella Adler

A renowned acting teacher whose imagination-focused methodology is mentioned as one of the diverse skill sets actors should be conversant with, according to Terry Schreiber.

Harry Belafonte

A musician and actor who recounted a story of Marlon Brando's authentic, unconventional approach in an acting class.

Tom Stoppard

A playwright and screenwriter mentioned as a possible writer of 'The French Lieutenant's Woman' script.

Alejandro González Iñárritu

A filmmaker whose last three films—'Biutiful,' 'Birdman,' and 'The Revenant'—Edward Norton praises as masterpieces.

Joseph Campbell

A mythologist and author whose work on comparative mythology is invoked by Edward Norton to describe the epic quality of 'The Revenant'.

Jeremy Irons

An actor who starred alongside Meryl Streep in 'The French Lieutenant's Woman,' and whose reaction during an unscripted moment in a scene showcased his professionalism alongside Streep.

Kelly Slater

A professional surfer, compared to Hixson Gracie for his level of 'alpha over everybody else' in his craft.

James Clavell

An author whose historical novels focused on Asia, Edward Norton devoured after reading 'Shogun,' further fueling his interest in the region.

Martin Polanco

A doctor known for his work with psychedelic-assisted psychotherapy, mentioned by Tim Ferriss as a podcast guest.

Bennett Miller

A filmmaker whose documentary 'The Cruise' Edward Norton loves, and whose directed films include 'Capote,' 'Moneyball,' and 'Foxcatcher.'

Edward Norton

An actor, filmmaker, activist, startup founder, UN Ambassador for Biodiversity, massively successful investor, and pilot, who is the guest on the podcast.

Ian McKellen

An actor whose one-man show in Washington D.C. profoundly impacted Edward Norton at age 17, inspiring him to consider acting as a serious adult vocation.

Sandy Meisner

An acting teacher whose exercises are mentioned as part of the diverse methodologies actors should explore to be great.

Meryl Streep

An actress whose brilliant, counter-intuitive acting choice in 'The French Lieutenant's Woman' is highlighted as an example of masterful performance.

Hixson Gracie

A legendary Jiu-Jitsu artist who Edward Norton wrote into 'The Incredible Hulk' script and experienced as a 'magician' in martial arts.

Morihiro Saito

A master of Aikido (often pronounced 'iido' in transcriptions), a martial art Edward Norton studied and appreciated for its use of leverage.

Alexis de Tocqueville

A French sociologist and political theorist who wrote 'Democracy in America,' commenting on the American propensity for self-organization.

Lee Strasberg

A pioneering acting teacher whose method is cited as one of the diverse 'shots' an actor should master.

Tony Robbins

A public figure and author, mentioned for highlighting social safety net cuts and supporting the psilocybin research crowdfunding campaign.

Václav Havel

The former Czechoslovakian president and playwright, author of the essay 'The Second Wind,' which Edward Norton admires for its discussion of creative courage and pushing beyond comfort zones.

Antoine de Saint-Exupéry

The author of 'Wind, Sand and Stars' and 'The Little Prince,' whose adventurous flying career Edward Norton admired.

Paul Rudd

An actor and friend of Edward Norton, whose cell phone number Norton jokingly suggests putting on a billboard as part of a long-running series of jokes.

Adam Curtis

A British documentarian whose films, 'The Century of the Self' and 'The Power of Nightmares,' Edward Norton really likes for their brilliance and eye-opening dense content.

Friedrich Nietzsche

A German philosopher whose concept of 'self-overcoming' (or Overman) as a perpetual process of evolving oneself is referenced by Edward Norton.

Jacques Audiard

A French filmmaker whose recent films, including 'The Beat My Heart Skipped,' 'A Prophet,' and 'Rust and Bone,' Edward Norton highly recommends.

Books
The Little Prince

A famous book also written by Antoine de Saint-Exupéry.

The Second Wind

An essay by Václav Havel, which Edward Norton praises for its themes of not repeating oneself, pushing beyond comfort zones, and daring to absorb and create anew.

Moneyball

A film directed by Bennett Miller, mentioned as one of his works.

Buddhism Without Beliefs

A book Edward Norton recalled as one of his favorites after the recording, included as a bonus recommendation.

To Change China

A book by Jonathan Spence, mentioned as one of his great works on Chinese history.

The Incredible Hulk

A film Edward Norton worked on, where he wrote Hixson Gracie into the script for a breath training role.

The Search for Modern China

A definitive book about modern Chinese history written by Jonathan Spence, Edward Norton's professor.

Democracy in America

A book by Alexis de Tocqueville, referenced by Edward Norton to illustrate the historical American tendency for proactive self-organization and civic action, akin to modern crowdfunding.

The 4-Hour Body

A book by Tim Ferriss that became a New York Times bestseller, for which design work was done using 99designs.

Death of Woman Wang

A book by Jonathan Spence, mentioned as one of his great works on Chinese history.

Wind, Sand and Stars

A book by Antoine de Saint-Exupéry, described as a philosophy of life and 'Zen in the craft of flying,' and a favorite gift Edward Norton has given.

The Black Swan

A book mentioned by Edward Norton as one he enjoyed and gave to friends, appreciated for its ability to 'prick certain bubbles of delusion.'

The Catastrophe of Success

An essay by Tennessee Williams, which Edward Norton considers one of the great essays by a creative person about the post-achievement traps of success.

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