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2025 Predictions: Tech, Business, Media, Politics!
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The All-In Podcast hosts make bold predictions for 2025 across politics, business, tech, and media, with lively debate.
Key Insights
2025 predictions span political winners (fiscal conservatives, young candidates, Trump/centrism) and losers (Putin, pro-war neocons, progressivism).
Business winners are expected from robotics/autonomous hardware, AI-driven big businesses, and dollar-denominated stablecoins.
Potential business losers include government service providers, Big Tech (Mag 7 concentration risk), and old defense/aerospace companies.
Major business deals anticipated include auto industry consolidation, hardware manufacturing buildouts, and potential tech/delivery service mergers.
Contrarian beliefs range from a banking crisis and rise of socialism to AI fundamentally changing productivity and potentially leading to superintelligence.
Key assets to watch in 2025 include high-bandwidth memory, credit default swaps (as insurance), and Chinese tech stocks, while enterprise software and traditional auto/real estate may underperform.
POLITICAL WINNERS AND LOSERS
The podcast kicks off with predictions for 2025's biggest political winners. Chamath identifies fiscal conservatives, citing a need for austerity to curb government waste. Freeberg anticipates a rise in young, 'resident' candidates, marking a generational shift away from the 'old guard.' Gavin predicts a win for centrism and Trump, observing a trend of Gen X and elder millennials gaining influence. For political losers, Gavin foresees a significant defeat for Putin, exacerbated by European rearmament and a tougher stance from a potential Trump administration. Freeberg targets pro-war neocons, expecting them to clash with figures like JD Vance and Elon Musk. Chamath predicts progressivism will be the biggest loser, pointing to expected electoral shifts in Canada, Germany, France, and the UK as repudiations of identity politics.
BUSINESS WINNERS AND LOSERS EMERGE
The discussion shifts to business, with Freeberg highlighting 2025 as the 'year of the robot,' citing companies like Unitree and the potential of humanoid robots and autonomous systems. Gavin agrees, emphasizing the continued importance of AI, particularly FSD and large businesses leveraging AI for a competitive edge, also predicting compute shortages. Chamath's bold prediction is for dollar-denominated stablecoins, believing they will challenge the Visa/Mastercard duopoly and have significant transaction volume. Potential business losers include general government service providers, as Gavin suggests agencies might scrutinize spending. Chamath identifies concentrated risk in the 'Mag 7' stocks, foreshadowing a potential market drawdown. Freeberg points to traditional defense and aerospace companies facing challenges due to shifts in tech-driven defense budgets and inefficiencies.
ANTICIPATED DEALS AND MARKET SHIFTS
Looking at major business deals, Chamath predicts a collapse of traditional auto OEMs, leading to consolidation, with Tesla positioned strongly. Freeberg anticipates significant funding for hardware manufacturing buildouts in the US, driven by a need for onshore production of autonomous and robotic systems. Gavin sees a title wave of M&A activity, driven by pent-up demand, and specifically mentions a potential big deal involving Intel and the quiet emergence of independent frontier AI labs. Jason predicts major partnerships in the 'age of autonomy' between tech giants like Amazon, DoorDash, Uber, and Tesla, potentially leading to super apps.
CONTRARIAN VIEWS ON ECONOMICS AND SOCIETY
The 'most contrarian belief' segment explores unconventional predictions. Chamath posits a banking crisis, citing the immense burden of US debt at current interest rates. Gavin anticipates a year of greater than 5% real GDP growth due to AI and deregulation, potentially resembling the late 90s boom, and also predicts frontier AI labs will keep their best models internal. Freeberg controversially predicts a dramatic rise in socialist movements in the US, arguing that rapid economic shifts and inequality, amplified by AI, will leave segments of the population behind, fueling demand for socialist policies despite recent election narratives. Gavin's contrarian take is that OpenAI may decline significantly, losing its lead and its non-profit to for-profit transition could fail.
BEST AND WORST PERFORMING ASSETS
Predictions for the best-performing assets in 2025 include high-bandwidth memory (HBM) as demand for GPUs outstrips supply, according to Gavin. Chamath suggests buying credit default swaps as insurance against unforeseen defaults. Freeberg bets on Chinese tech stocks and ETFs, believing a potential US-China 'deal' and domestic economic drivers could lead to a rebound. For worst-performing assets, Gavin and Chamath identify the 'software industrial complex' – large, inefficient enterprise software companies – as vulnerable to AI-driven alternatives that are cheaper and more potent. Freeberg reiterates challenges for vertical SaaS and points to legacy car companies and real estate as facing continued headwinds due to oversupply and affordability issues.
TRENDS, MEDIA, AND FINAL PREDICTIONS
Anticipated trends include regulatory changes to 'kick the can down the road' on debt management, according to Chamath. Freeberg foresees major announcements regarding nuclear power buildout in the US, driven by deregulation and energy demands. Gavin expects AI to accelerate dramatically in 2025, progressing on three axes: pre-training, inference compute, and reasoning, potentially leading to Artificial Super Intelligence. In media, Jason anticipates chaotic shifts in legacy media outlets like the Washington Post and LA Times. Chamath looks forward to declassified files from the Trump administration, potentially revealing secrets about JFK, Epstein, and more. Gavin is excited for '1883' and '1923' season 2. Final predictions include poly market bets on Trump's deportation numbers, the concentration of 'Mag 7' stocks, cloud revenue growth leaders, and federal debt levels.
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Chamath predicts fiscal conservatives will be the biggest political winners of 2025. He believes there will be a focus on austerity to identify waste, fraud, and abuse in the federal government, potentially leading to entitlement cuts.
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Bought Sunday Ticket and is happy with it. Expected to buy more sports rights to leverage dynamic advertising.
Listed as a major cloud provider that will compete directly with OpenAI by offering compute resources and having internal AI services, potentially disadvantaging OpenAI.
OpenAI's AI model, used as a benchmark for comparison with Google's Gemini Deep Research, which is deemed superior.
Apple's virtual assistant, compared unfavorably to Google Gemini for its poor performance.
Mentioned as a technology that could teach robots new skills.
Apple's AI offering, widely criticized by the hosts as being poor and disgraceful compared to Google Gemini.
Google's advertising platform, which could dynamically create personalized ads for sports viewers, mitigating the loss of traditional pharma ads.
An AI model, compared to ChatGPT and Claude, for which Google's deep research model is considered superior.
Microsoft's cloud computing service, from which buying compute puts a company at a disadvantage compared to internal services.
Considered a breakout independent third-party candidate in the US.
Referred to as 'V fake Tuli', listed as an Elder Millennial.
Listed as an Elder Millennial and expected to be part of the shift against pro-war neocons.
Mentioned for a technical term he uses to describe a third person's skiing technique.
His fight is mentioned as 'disgraceful' by the host, leading to speculation about whether it was staged.
Co-founder and CEO of Circle, the issuer of USDC. Mentioned as someone who offered to rebuild payment rails using US dollar stablecoins for a host's research product.
Predicted to be the biggest political loser of 2025, with China decoupling and Trump taking a tougher stance on Russia.
Allegedly fighting Conor McGregor in India for a large sum of money, viewed as a 'stunt'.
His treatment of '2001: A Space Odyssey' is referenced in the discussion on why advanced alien civilizations would not physically travel.
Guest on the podcast from Atreides Management, a crossover firm investing publicly and privately in consumer and tech from series A to mega-cap, managing roughly $4 billion.
Listed as a notable Gen X appointment.
CEO of Dell Technologies, mentioned as having participated in building xAI and being shocked by its rapid GPU deployment.
Mentioned as having said the NBA has a big problem.
Allegedly fighting Logan Paul in India for $250 million, viewed as a 'stunt' to bring tourists to India.
CEO of Palantir, mentioned for his criticism of sales and marketing practices in the software industrial complex.
The current UK prime minister, alleged to have not prosecuted Pakistani Muslim men involved in a child rape scandal for fears of stoking Islamophobia.
Predicted as a political loser in 2024 by one of the hosts.
Mentioned as someone to whom The Washington Post could be sold, and as being upset about Legacy Media Outlets steering towards the middle.
One of the original pioneers in AI, who gave a scary talk about models that reason being inherently unpredictable.
The creator behind 'Landman' and other praised TV shows, identified as being 'in the zone'.
Mentioned for having deported over two million people, making him 'really tough on the border'.
Host of the All-In Podcast.
A notable Gen X appointment and a new class of donor influencing Republican policy. Praised for building out xAI's infrastructure.
Predicted to massively defeat Justin Trudeau in Canada in 2025.
Predicted to win in the UK if the Labour government falls.
Co-founder and CEO of NVIDIA, mentioned as having participated in building xAI and being shocked by its rapid GPU deployment.
Predicted to sell The Washington Post in 2025, after having bought it and stepped down from Amazon, and after a 'midlife crisis' phase.
Predicted to win centrists in 2024, to be tougher on Putin than expected, and lead to a deal bad for Russia and Ukraine. His administration is also predicted to release declassified files.
Described by Trump as 'absolutely crazy' but useful in negotiations for creating a bellicose image.
His cabinet's average age is compared to Trump's potential younger cabinet picks.
Predicted to lose massively to Pierre Poilievre in Canada in 2025.
His successful use of credit default swaps during the COVID-19 crisis is referenced as an example of making significant money on an insurance policy.
His actions regarding Europe's rearmament and resource allocation away from Europe are discussed as a disaster for China's reunification goals with Taiwan. Predicted to begin decoupling from Putin.
A figure to whom the website 'disgraziad.com' (a slang term for disgraceful) redirects, bought by the host Jason Calacanis after the Tyson fight.
Mentioned in a Gemini Deep Research report as having lower risk of insolvency or financial collapse compared to peers.
Cited as an example of old defense and aerospace providers facing 'failure at scale' and being too clunky and bureaucratic, due to space program failures and airplane business challenges.
Its transaction volume is compared to dollar-denominated stablecoin transaction volume, highlighting the latter's growth and potential to disrupt the payment duopoly.
Cited as an example of old defense and aerospace providers that will struggle in 2025.
Mentioned as being involved in Nissan's alliance, and part of the auto industry needing consolidation.
Its potential IPO or divestment of TikTok was a previous prediction by the host.
Mentioned as a potential third company to produce high bandwidth memory (HBM), depending on whether they 'get their act together'.
A payment processing company, contrasted with the lower transaction costs offered by US dollar stablecoins.
Bought NFL games and is happy with them. Expected to buy more sports rights for dynamic advertising.
Part of the on-demand economy, its stock was up significantly. Also a key player in autonomous delivery with Waymo, and a potential acquisition target for Tesla or Amazon.
Its stock was up 30% in 2024, but its AI (Apple Intelligence) is heavily criticized as performing poorly.
Signed an agreement to merge with Honda at the end of 2024, signaling consolidation in the traditional auto OEM industry.
Expected to be involved in a significant business deal in 2025, hopefully one that benefits America.
Mentioned in a Gemini Deep Research report as having lower risk of insolvency or financial collapse compared to peers.
Praised for its comeback in AI and the Gemini Deep Research product. Seen as a major AI winner due to heavy investment and internal application of AI for earnings growth.
Criticized for trading at 2-4 times the book value of its Bitcoin holdings, deemed unsustainable.
Identified by a Gemini Deep Research report as having the highest risk of insolvency or financial collapse among large US banks.
Mentioned as a company that will benefit from the shift towards tech-oriented defense spending, contrasting with traditional defense contractors.
Perceived as having acquired OpenAI's source code and compute, no longer needing OpenAI, positioning it as a major competitor.
Part of the on-demand economy, its stock was up significantly. A potential acquisition target for Amazon or Tesla to create a 'super app' for delivery.
Mentioned as a Chinese tech company that looks 'pretty cheap' with a decent multiple, potentially poised for a good run if macro conditions align.
Mentioned in a Gemini Deep Research report as having lower risk of insolvency or financial collapse compared to peers.
Its GPUs are mentioned as driving the demand for compute, and the company is seen as a long-term winner due to AI growth.
Signed an agreement to merge with Nissan at the end of 2024, signaling consolidation in the traditional auto OEM industry.
An autonomous drone delivery company, invested in by Gavin Baker's firm, seen as the best way to deliver anything to suburban areas.
Identified by a Gemini Deep Research report as having the highest risk of insolvency or financial collapse among large US banks due to recent net loss, lower Common Equity Tier 1 (CET1) ratio, and high exposure.
Bought NFL games and is happy with them. Expected to buy more sports rights for dynamic advertising. Also mentioned as a potential acquirer of DoorDash or Uber.
Criticized for its $7 billion valuation despite only $4-5 million in revenue.
A Chinese car manufacturer producing cars cheaper than competitors with good full self-driving capabilities, making it a key global competitor.
A prediction market platform where people can place wagers or investments on outcomes, used to track the podcast hosts' super predictions.
Praised for its FSD (Full Self-Driving) technology, which is seen as crossing into mainstream adoption. Also a potential major AI winner and a key player in the autonomous vehicle space, with potential for partnerships or acquisitions in delivery.
Their new model, O3, is noted for its combination of reasoning and test-time compute. However, later predicted to be the biggest business loser, with its $57 billion valuation seen as a peak, and potential issues with its non-profit to for-profit transition and competition.
Its duopoly with Visa is anticipated to be attacked by stablecoin usage.
Elon Musk's AI company, praised for its rapid build-out of 100,000 GPUs and positioned as a major AI winner. Expected to compete directly with OpenAI.
Its stock was up 24% in 2024, and it licensed data for AI training, fulfilling a previous prediction.
European auto OEM, whose future is questioned in the face of industry pressures.
Its potential divestment was a previous prediction, and its ban is currently halted by the Trump administration.
Alphabet's autonomous driving technology, which has rapidly gained market share in San Francisco and is expanding to other cities. Predicted to be involved in a massive financing, IPO, or M&A deal.
Its market share in San Francisco has been significantly impacted by Waymo's entry.
Its stock was up, and it filed a lawsuit against OpenAI, fulfilling a previous prediction.
Discussed in the context of no soldiers losing their lives in the Russia-Ukraine conflict and aggressive posturing from the Trump administration.
Its O1 and O3 models are discussed as examples of AI making rapid progress due to new scaling axes like reasoning.
Discussed in the context of creating their own currency, similar to how stablecoins could challenge the USD standard.
A management consulting firm, used to illustrate the quality and depth of reports generated by Google's Deep Research, comparing AI output to expensive human consulting work.
One of the Legacy Media Outlets steering towards the middle and trying to get back to classic journalism, causing internal chaos.
A research and advisory company, used to illustrate the quality and depth of reports generated by Google's Deep Research, comparing AI output to expensive human consulting work.
Predicted to be sold by Jeff Bezos in 2025. Also mentioned as one of the Legacy Media Outlets trying to return to classic journalism.
A coming movie in James Gunn's DC Universe, highly anticipated.
Arthur C. Clarke's work, referenced in the discussion about advanced alien civilizations and physical travel.
A Star Wars series, highly anticipated by the host.
Used as a benchmark for compelling TV shows, comparing 1923 to it.
Anticipated to receive a very bad deal for Russia and Ukraine from a Trump administration, leading to a humiliating defeat for Putin.
Amazon is reportedly doing drone deliveries there, and housing values/rent have gone down for two years.
Mentioned in a theory about how the pyramids might have been built, using water and channels for flotation.
Starting to rearm, which will allow America to reallocate resources away from Europe and towards the Pacific.
The AfD party is predicted to win in 2025.
Proposed location for a Logan Paul vs. Conor McGregor fight, intended to attract tourists.
Cited as an example where accelerating GDP growth under Peron did not benefit everyone equally, leading to socialist policies.
Expected to receive resources reallocated from Europe by America.
Justin Trudeau is predicted to lose massively to Pierre Poilievre in 2025.
Discussed in relation to a child rape scandal and the potential fall of the Labour government, leading to Nigel Farage winning.
China's goal of reunification or invasion is discussed, with Europe's rearmament making it harder for China.
Its role as a client state of Russia, its massive buildout of electricity, drones, robots, and autonomous vehicles are discussed. Chinese tech stocks are pitched as a best performing asset, contingent on a 'great deal' with the US.
Described as a client state of China, predicted to face decoupling from China and a bad deal with Ukraine under Trump, leading to a humiliating defeat.
Expected to receive resources reallocated from Europe by America.
Marine Le Pen is predicted to win if there's a deadlock election.
A stablecoin mentioned in Congressional hearings for its alleged use in terrorism, sanctions evasion, and human trafficking.
A US dollar stablecoin, mentioned as a more efficient payment rail due to lower transaction costs.
Prediction market proposed for whether the 'Mag 8' representation in the S&P 500 shrinks below 30%.
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