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The Legendary Hollywood Power Broker — Guy Oseary on 36 Years of Managing Madonna, 26 IPOs, and More
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Guy Oseary built a career by making lightning-fast decisions in music and investing, spotting talent instantly but admitting many missed opportunities taught him crucial lessons.
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Guy Oseary claims 90% of his decisions happen within the first 5 minutes, driven by a need for speed in the competitive music industry and later in investment.
He landed meetings with music industry heavyweights Bernie Brillstein and Freddy DeMann at age 16 by approaching peers, showcasing initiative despite a lack of connections.
Oseary's first major music success was the band Candlebox, which sold 4 million albums, after initially failing to sign Hole and Rage Against the Machine.
A significant early investment mistake involved putting all his savings into Ideal Lab before the 2008 crash, leading to a loss of all funds and a lesson in diversification.
He invested heavily in Vita Coco after recognizing a pattern in health-conscious consumers seeking coconut water, turning a $35M valuation into a multi-billion dollar public company.
Oseary highlights the current ethical dilemma in AI: companies like Suno are valued in billions based on music AI that may not compensate original artists, a problem he believes must be fixed.
The five-minute decision-maker
Guy Oseary emphasizes his reliance on rapid decision-making, stating that 90% of his significant choices are made within the first five minutes. This approach, born from the pressures of a small, boutique record label competing with industry giants, allowed him to quickly sign artists like Alanis Morissette after hearing just one song, or Muse after a single performance. He views this velocity not just as a strategy but as a necessity to convey passion to artists and secure them before competitors offer better deals. This same intuitive, rapid assessment has carried over into his investment career, where he believes quick judgments are often the most effective.
Early hustle and formative experiences
Oseary's journey began not with connections, but with tenacious self-starting. As a teenager, he lived in a modest apartment in West Hollywood, which serendipitously became a hub for meeting aspiring musicians and even established stars like Prince. His decision to pursue enrollment at Beverly Hills High School, despite not living in the district, fueled his ambition and highlighted the stark differences in opportunity. This experience, blending his original environment with the privileged world of Beverly Hills, provided him with a unique perspective and a drive to work harder. His early efforts included creating a demo portfolio for unknown artists under the name 'Wise Guy Records,' showcasing a foundational understanding of building a representation, even before he fully understood the industry.
Securing crucial early mentorship
At just 16, Oseary secured foundational meetings with industry figures Bernie Brillstein and Freddy DeMann through sheer persistence, asking peers for introductions. Brillstein, a legendary manager, offered him $25,000 to put out music, an offer Oseary declined, instead requesting Brillstein make three phone calls to music contacts. This interaction, later recounted by Brillstein, highlighted Oseary's strategic thinking and his recognition that industry connections were more valuable than immediate capital. DeMann, who managed icons like Michael Jackson and Madonna, eventually brought Oseary into Maverick Records as a scout, recognizing his passion and potential despite his lack of experience. These early 'no's' and 'yes's' proved critical in shaping his understanding of not just the music business, but of value and opportunity.
Navigating music industry successes and failures
Oseary's first foray into managing led to signing Ice-T's DJ and brother, Evey Lee, at age 17, securing them a record deal. His first major artistic discovery and attempt to sign was with Hole, followed by Rage Against the Machine. Despite not securing either, which went on to achieve significant success, Oseary learned valuable lessons about competition and missed opportunities. His first true commercial success came with Candlebox, whose album sold 4 million copies. Later, his involvement with Maverick Records, where he found and supported artists like Alanis Morissette, led to her album 'Jagged Little Pill' selling an astounding 30 million copies, a critical moment that solidified his career and proved his ability to identify groundbreaking talent that others overlooked.
Transitioning into film and high-stakes investing
Leveraging his success in music, Oseary expanded into film production, co-founding a film company that produced 'Twilight,' a franchise grossing over $3.5 billion. This diversification demonstrated his ability to apply his business acumen beyond music. His investment career began with a significant setback: losing all his savings by investing heavily in Ideal Lab right before the 2008 market crash, failing to diversify. This painful lesson led him to Vita Coco, a coconut water company, which he invested in significantly, attracting other high-profile investors like Madonna and Demi Moore. Vita Coco's success, becoming a public company with a multi-billion dollar market cap, marked his triumphant return to impactful investing.
The AI revolution and ethical considerations
Oseary sees foundational AI models as the next major technological shift, comparable to the advent of the smartphone. His investment firm launched a fund focused on AI within a strict three-month window, quickly deploying capital into companies like OpenAI and Anthropic. He now expresses significant concern over the ethical implications of AI music generation platforms, such as Suno. He argues that these platforms, valued in the billions, often build their models on artists' existing music without proper compensation or consent. Oseary believes this practice is unsustainable and unjust, emphasizing the need to respect intellectual property and establish fair compensation models for artists whose work fuels AI development, likening the situation to the early days of Napster and Spotify.
Curating talent and fostering long-term relationships
A recurring theme in Oseary's career is his skill as a 'curator of people.' He emphasizes the importance of identifying and nurturing relationships with talented individuals, whether artists, founders, or friends. His own early life experiences, which lacked extended family presence, fostered a strong sense of loyalty and community with his chosen friends. He deliberately creates safe spaces for connection, hosting gatherings and maintaining close contact. This approach extends to his investment philosophy; he seeks to be more than just a capital provider, offering strategic guidance and leveraging his network. His long-term partnerships, particularly with Madonna for 36 years and close friendships with members of The Red Hot Chili Peppers and U2, exemplify this commitment to building lasting, supportive bonds.
Looking ahead: evolving ventures and continued drive
After a successful 20-year partnership with Ashton Kutcher, Oseary is embarking on new chapters, driven by a desire to pursue distinct visions. While he will continue to support Kutcher's ambitious endeavors, his focus is now on building ventures aligned with his own evolving perspectives. He remains committed to his core strength: identifying top-tier talent and groundbreaking ideas, anticipating this will involve new platforms and tech initiatives. Oseary maintains a forward-looking, almost relentless drive, feeling he still has much to prove and accomplish, a mindset shaped significantly by Madonna's own enduring pursuit of reinvention. His philosophy centers on continuous innovation and avoiding complacency, always seeking the next challenge and opportunity.
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Guy Oseary emphasized making very fast decisions, often within the first five minutes of meeting an artist. This was crucial for his boutique label to compete with larger companies and avoid losing talent to more lucrative offers.
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The lawyer Oseary contacted regarding the band Hole.
Founder of Anthropic, whom Oseary connected with to make an investment deal.
Musician Oseary met as a child and later became friends with.
Musician Oseary met as a child and later became friends with.
An iconic Hollywood manager and one of the greats in the industry. Brillstein managed many SNL talents and was instrumental in Oseary's early career by offering him three crucial phone calls.
An iconic figure in the music industry who managed Madonna and other great artists. DeMann gave Oseary opportunities and eventually hired him at Maverick Records.
Legendary musician whose album 'Thriller' Freddy DeMann worked on.
DJ for Ice-T and brother of Henji. Oseary managed them, marking his first group management experience.
Frontwoman of the band Hole, whose music Oseary discovered and championed.
Producer and co-writer who accompanied Alanis Morissette when she met with Oseary.
Folk singer-songwriter Oseary had not heard of before Alanis Morissette, but people compared Morissette's style to Mitchell's.
Producer Oseary found for Madonna's album 'Ray of Light'.
Director Oseary found for the 'Ray of Light' music video.
Director who created the 'Come to Daddy' video for Aphex Twin, which Oseary showed to Madonna, leading to him directing her 'Frozen' video.
Founder of Earthlink, who inspired Oseary to explore investing.
Founder of Idealab, who launched three billion-dollar companies and influenced Oseary's early investment strategies.
Oseary made a deal with him to be an advisor for Research in Motion (BlackBerry), but ultimately didn't sign due to the collapse of his initial investment.
The person who introduced Oseary to Vitaminwater and later to Vita Coco.
Founder of Vita Coco, whom Oseary met to discuss investment.
Actress who invested in Vita Coco at Oseary's invitation.
Actor who invested in Vita Coco at Oseary's invitation.
Comedian who has referred to Oseary as a great curator of people.
Actor who has described Oseary as a great curator of people.
Oseary's business partner, with whom he started their fund and invested in OpenAI.
Investor and entrepreneur, mentioned in the context of Oseary's early investment in Bitcoin with Ashton Kutcher.
Founder of Salesforce, whose venture capital arm Oseary considers one of the best investors in the world.
Lead singer of the Red Hot Chili Peppers, a close friend of Oseary's and godfather to his son. He also invested in Vita Coco.
An individual at Salesforce Ventures who connected Oseary with the founder of Anthropic.
CEO of OpenAI, who Oseary has discussed music rights and AI training with.
Founder of Spotify, credited with figuring out a viable business model for music streaming.
Founder of SpaceX, whom Oseary met and was impressed by the concept of rocket building, regretting not asking about the business model.
Founder of Napster, whom Oseary met to discuss the platform's potential impact on artist compensation.
Author whose quote about compassion is shared at the end of the podcast.
The first hip-hop radio station in Los Angeles, which Oseary and his schoolmates would listen to on the bus.
An alternative radio station in Los Angeles, which Oseary and his schoolmates would listen to on the bus.
Band whose song 'Smells Like Teen Spirit' had a profound impact on Oseary, similar to his reaction to ChatGPT.
AI language model from OpenAI that Oseary found life-changing and became obsessed with, driving his interest in AI investments.
The name Oseary gave to his early portfolio of artists when he was 16, before he fully understood the business.
Record label that signed Hole, a band Oseary had attempted to secure.
Record label that signed Rage Against the Machine.
A record label founded by Madonna and Guy Oseary, which allowed for a less compartmentalized approach compared to traditional labels.
Company founded by Sky Dayton, which inspired Oseary to get into investing.
Coconut water company in which Oseary made a significant investment, leading to substantial returns.
AI research company that developed ChatGPT. Oseary was deeply impressed by ChatGPT and saw OpenAI as a primary investment focus.
A company Oseary invested in alongside OpenAI and Anthropic.
AI company that Oseary invested in, recognizing its potential as a foundational AI model.
The firm that Oseary and Effie will continue to build and expand upon.
Music streaming service founded by Daniel Ek, which revolutionized music distribution and payment for artists.
Early peer-to-peer music file-sharing service that was shut down due to its illegal distribution model.
Company founded by Elon Musk, which Oseary visited early on and was deeply impressed by its ambitious concept.
A collective associated with Ice-T, through which Oseary was able to be around many artists.
A band, fronted by Courtney Love, that Oseary discovered and attempted to sign for Madonna's label. Though they signed with Geffen, it was Oseary's first artist acquisition attempt.
A band Oseary tried to sign, but they ultimately went with another label. They became a significant success.
A band Oseary successfully signed, which became his first major success story, selling 4 million albums.
Electronic music artist whose director Chris Cunningham created the 'Come to Daddy' video.
An incubator founded by Bill Gross, which Oseary supported and invested in, learning valuable lessons about diversification.
Venture capital arm of Salesforce, which Oseary considers a top-tier investor.
A band whose sound Oseary notes that AI models are programmed to mimic, highlighting the issue of copyright and fair use.
Band managed by Oseary, who are considered family. They tour cyclically, providing windows for Oseary's other ventures.
Band managed by Oseary during a period when he handled multiple major tours simultaneously.
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