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One of The Scariest Hackers I’ve Ever Met — Pablos Holman
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Hacker Pablos Holman discusses "deep tech," innovation, energy, and the future, emphasizing a "possibilist" mindset.
Key Insights
The "hacker mindset" is about curiosity, reverse engineering, and asking "what can this do?" rather than just "what does this do?"
Inventors are crucial for creating new technologies, as exemplified by skateboarder Rodney Mullen and early computer pioneers.
Deep tech, focusing on fundamental scientific and engineering breakthroughs, offers larger markets and greater impact than software startups.
Solving the world's energy crisis, particularly through nuclear fission reactors, is the most critical first step for technological advancement.
A "possibilist" view acknowledges both potential futures and our agency in building a better one through technology and invention.
Navigating regulatory hurdles and fostering a culture that values invention are key to bringing deep tech innovations to market.
THE HACKER MINDSET: FROM REVERSE ENGINEERING TO DEEP TECH
Pablos Holman defines a hacker not just as a computer security expert, but as someone with an insatiable curiosity to understand and re-engineer systems. This mindset, honed from childhood by reverse-engineering early computers in Alaska, is crucial for invention. It involves asking "what can this do?" rather than the conventional "what does this do?" This ethos allows for off-label uses and breakthroughs that conventional thinking misses. Holman advocates for applying this hacker mindset to broader, often overlooked, "deep tech" challenges beyond just software.
INVENTION, PROGRESS, AND THE IMPORTANCE OF DEEP TECH
Holman emphasizes the critical role of inventors in driving human progress, likening pioneers like Rodney Mullen in skateboarding to those creating new technologies. He contrasts the "zero to one" creation of an inventor with the subsequent "craft" of replication. Deep tech, which involves fundamental scientific and engineering advancements, is presented as the most impactful area for inventors, offering solutions to trillion-dollar industries that Silicon Valley has often neglected in favor of software applications.
ENERGY AS THE FOUNDATIONAL PROBLEM AND SOLUTION
A central theme is that clean, abundant energy is the prerequisite for solving most global challenges. Holman argues that hyperscalers' massive energy demands are driving innovation and a potential resurgence of nuclear energy in the US. He champions advanced fission reactors, particularly a novel design that fits into a borehole, as a practical and scalable solution. This focus on energy as their "lead domino" underpins his belief that foundational energy solutions enable other technological advancements.
NAVIGATING RISK AND FOSTERING INNOVATION
Holman discusses the distinct risks in deep tech investing: technical and regulatory, as opposed to the market risk often prioritized in Silicon Valley. He highlights the challenge of navigating complex regulations and the need for a supportive ecosystem for inventors. His own investing philosophy centers on identifying technologies that are "10x better" than current solutions, seeking opportunities that can scale rapidly, and supporting founders who can champion these groundbreaking innovations.
THE POSSIBILIST OUTLOOK: BUILDING A BETTER FUTURE
Adopting a "possibilist" outlook, Holman believes a better future is achievable through deliberate action and technological advancement. He contrasts this with Pollyannaish optimism, stressing that building a desirable future requires agency and effort. This perspective informs his approach to investing and problem-solving, encouraging a long-term vision and a focus on actionable steps to create positive change, whether in energy, transportation, or other critical fields.
THE ROLE OF COMMUNITY AND DIVERSE EXPERTISE
Holman stresses the importance of community and cross-disciplinary collaboration in tackling complex problems. Drawing parallels from salsa dancing and iikido, he highlights the value of diverse perspectives and effective communication. He believes that by pooling expertise and fostering environments where radical ideas can be explored and developed, humanity can accelerate progress and build a more robust and sustainable future, moving beyond incremental improvements to transformative breakthroughs.
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Pablos grew up in Alaska with one of the first Apple II computers and no one around to teach him. He learned to hack and reverse engineer by breaking things and figuring out how they worked out of necessity.
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An event possibly confused with the O'Reilly Emerging Technology Conference where hacking demonstrations occurred.
A campaign by music artists to solve global problems like malaria and HIV by uniting diverse groups around a single goal.
The regulatory body for nuclear energy in the US, which has shifted from being anti-nuclear to supportive.
A conference where Pablos Holman famously demonstrated hacking exploits around 2008, showcasing vulnerabilities in everyday technology.
Holman demonstrated a JavaScript exploit to force the website to load a modified news story.
An incubator for deep tech startups located in the Brooklyn Navy Yard and Detroit, offering machine shops and labs.
An annual event hosted by Jeff Bezos and Amazon for experts in Machine Learning, Automation, Robotics, and Space, fostering community and cross-pollination.
A book by Neil Stephenson about cryptocurrency, released in 1998.
A book mentioned for describing differences in government planning and efficiency, comparing US leaders (attorneys) to Chinese leaders (engineers).
Pablos Holman's book, which the host is reading. It explores the hacker mindset, deep tech, and building a better future.
Kevin Mitnick's book, predominantly focused on social engineering rather than technical hacking.
A film that features a private detective with a philosophy of staying open to possibilities, which inspires Pablos Holman's approach to life and venture investing.
An advanced nuclear reactor invented at Intellectual Ventures Lab that is powered by nuclear waste, but faces regulatory hurdles in the US.
Used in a terrifying craft retooled to operate vertically, functioning as a quadcopter for early Blue Origin tests.
Hacked by Pablos Holman using caller ID spoofing at an O'Reilly conference to change the organizer's outgoing message.
Holman demonstrated how to read an RFID credit card number and expiration date using a merchant card reader bought on eBay.
A robot built by Eric Johansson and Pablos Holman that drove around conferences, triangulated Wi-Fi users, and displayed their passwords on a screen.
A common brand of door locks demonstrated by Holman to be easily opened with a file-down key and a small mallet.
An astrophysicist who, along with Neil Stephenson, started Blue Operations (which became Blue Origin) in an old envelope factory.
The organizer of the O'Reilly Emerging Tech Conference whose AT&T voicemail was hacked by Pablos Holman.
Pablos Holman's co-conspirator on many hacking projects, including building the Hackerbot.
A hacker in England who discovered a vulnerability in remote car key buttons, allowing one brand of car to open any car from that manufacturer.
Host Tim Ferriss's mutual friend who introduced him to Neil Stephenson, and with whom Ferriss spent time writing a book about learning and cooking.
A delightful hacker who is a poster child for the 'what can I make this do?' mindset, known for MySpace exploits and manipulating Google Maps traffic.
Founder of an AI company that shut down during the dot-com bubble, who introduced Pablos Holman to Neil Stephenson.
A concept popularized by Neil Stephenson's book Snow Crash.
Described as the most bipartisan bill, aimed at building nuclear reactors in the US.
A fringe area of fusion research involving deuterium and carbon nanotubes, which Pablos Holman has invested in.
A startup mentioned for its focus on autonomous weaponized marine vessels as a potential counter-attack strategy.
An MIT spinoff that made breakthroughs in magnetic confinement fusion using a new superconductor, building a tokamak.
A deep tech company focused on understanding the microbiome and its impact on human health, seen as a crucial service to humanity.
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