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YC SUS: Gustaf Alströmer and Eric Migicovsky discuss growth tactics

Y CombinatorY Combinator
Science & Technology7 min read60 min video
Feb 12, 2020|16,817 views|315|14
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TL;DR

Launching a product requires understanding your monetization model before paid growth, as competing with Google/Facebook ads is nearly impossible and early subscribers often fund sustainable growth.

Key Insights

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Most early social products grew without paid marketing, relying on viral invites, word-of-mouth, email, or SEO, and monetized through advertising later.

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Companies today attempting to monetize via advertising face immense difficulty competing with Google and Facebook, making user-charging models more viable.

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A strong referral program requires a product with existing word-of-mouth, a radical enough concept to warrant a friend's recommendation, and a regularly active user base.

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For multi-sided marketplaces, it's often best to artificially build up a small initial supply (e.g., drivers) before acquiring demand, ensuring quality from the start.

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B2B growth strategies can benefit from applying consumer-grade growth tactics like invite flows and targeted ads, which competitors may overlook.

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For unfamiliar products like probiotic kefir, building brand association through media mentions and showcasing social proof (e.g., early adopters like Dropbox) is crucial.

The shift from ad-driven growth to user monetization

Historically, many social platforms like Facebook and LinkedIn grew by attracting users and then monetizing through advertising. This model, while successful in the past, is significantly harder today due to the dominance of Google and Facebook in the ad space. These behemoths possess advanced platforms that are exceptionally difficult to compete with. Consequently, the emerging trend for new companies, especially those with network effects, is to focus on direct user monetization or alternative revenue streams, such as creator monetization on platforms like Twitch. The key takeaway is that if a company aims to charge its users, understanding the revenue generated per user (ROI) is paramount before scaling paid growth. Without this understanding, paid marketing becomes an unsustainable experiment, a fact that investors scrutinize, and often leads to startup failure.

Monetization models that don't hinder growth

A crucial aspect of sustainable growth is ensuring that the monetization model is aligned with the value users derive from the product, rather than actively harming growth. If a monetization strategy involves locking essential features, it can be counterproductive. Instead, models that reward repeat usage or retention are more effective. The Athletic, a subscription-based local news app, serves as an example where users pay monthly for access to content from over 150 journalists. With the increasing effectiveness and prevalence of paid growth channels on platforms like Google and Facebook, founders should lean into these channels and figure out how to grow sustainably. This requires an early understanding of conversion funnels and customer acquisition costs. By knowing the revenue per user, companies can more effectively experiment with paid marketing, as demonstrated by The Athletic's ability to target potential subscribers on Facebook with a clear understanding of conversion rates and ad spend value.

Essential tools and the 'don't scale' early approach

For tracking product usage and user behavior, basic event analytics tools like Amplitude, Mixpanel, or Segment are considered essential, often surpassing the capabilities of Google Analytics for in-depth analysis. These tools help understand user flows, onboarding success, and retention metrics. However, for early-stage startups, the emphasis should not be on sophisticated tools but on direct customer interaction. Founders should prioritize meeting their first 50-100 customers to gain deep qualitative insights. Automating sales or customer service too early can be a mistake; instead, direct communication, like sending emails from a personal account or responding to customer service inquiries directly, builds stronger connections and provides invaluable learning opportunities. Airbnb's founders famously shared their phone numbers with early hosts, fostering trust and gathering crucial feedback.

Iterating on product based on user feedback

Gathering and acting on user feedback requires a delicate balance, especially when users express vague pain points. A common and effective method is qualitative user research, involving open-ended questions and minimal assumptions. During product launches at Airbnb, teams would present prototypes or screenshots to random individuals, asking for their thoughts and understanding, rather than leading the conversation. If a significant portion of testers failed to grasp the product's purpose, it signaled a need for redesign. Services like UserTesting.com were also used, where paid participants would perform simple tasks and vocalize their thought process. Watching these sessions often revealed unexpected user behaviors and comprehension gaps, highlighting the importance of letting users guide the feedback process without imposing preconceptions. The goal is to identify what users truly need and how they interact with the product organically, leading to clearer language and a more intuitive user interface.

Building and retaining users in multi-sided marketplaces

Launching a multi-sided marketplace requires a strategic approach to bootstrapping both supply and demand. A recommended tactic is to artificially build up the supply side first. For instance, when launching a ride-sharing service like Uber or Lyft in a new city, securing a small group of drivers (even friends willing to commit for a period) creates an artificial supply. Once this initial 'supply' is in place, demand can be acquired. This approach ensures that when demand arrives, there is a viable service ready to meet it. Quality is paramount from the outset; for example, requiring drivers to have good cars and safe driving records. Similarly, for a platform enabling founders to test experiments, securing founders to volunteer their time initially is key. After validating demand, the focus shifts to understanding pricing, which is an iterative process integral to product-market fit. Retaining demand users involves actively seeking feedback on their experience, with a particular focus on understanding why users churn. Direct follow-up via phone can be more effective than email for gaining insights from users who had negative experiences. Ultimately, pricing must align with the perceived value and willingness to pay for the quality supply.

The mechanics and effectiveness of referral programs

Referral programs can be powerful growth engines, but their success hinges on several factors. The product should already possess natural word-of-mouth momentum, and the offering should be compelling enough that a friend's recommendation significantly influences adoption. Products like Uber and Airbnb, which initially seemed radical or untrustworthy to some, benefited greatly from a friend vouching for them. The monetary incentive is important, but secondary to the product's inherent appeal. Crucially, referral programs work best for products with a regularly active user base, allowing for ongoing prompting of referrals. For instance, Airbnb's referral prompts after bookings were effective because users might repeat the action. However, a key mistake founders make is placing referral prompts in static locations like menus or settings pages, where users are unlikely to see them. Instead, integrating prompts into the user's workflow, where they are naturally engaged, yields better results. Finally, the economics must make sense; the incentive offered must be sustainable given the revenue generated per user. A $5 referral bonus might be insufficient to motivate action for many products, whereas a $55 incentive (as seen with Airbnb) can be highly impactful.

Leveraging paid marketing and SEO for sustainable growth

For companies that generate revenue, paid marketing is a viable and scalable growth channel, but it requires careful management. The goal is to acquire users initially through paid channels, but then transition to organic or owned channels for subsequent interactions. For example, Airbnb focused on acquiring users via Google Ads initially but then encouraged users to download the app for repeat bookings to avoid ongoing ad spend. Search Engine Optimization (SEO) remains a significant channel, particularly for new or emerging keywords. If a startup can capture search terms related to a novel product or concept, they have a higher chance of ranking successfully. However, for established keywords with high competition, SEO can be a long-term, resource-intensive endeavor. Founders should research keyword search volume and competition before investing heavily in SEO. Two primary SEO strategies involve creating high-quality content or implementing automated content generation if applicable.

Navigating B2B growth and product quality

In B2B SaaS, applying consumer-grade growth tactics can provide a competitive edge, as many traditional B2B companies rely on outdated methods like case studies and trade shows. Strategies like invite flows, targeted social media ads, and robust referral programs can be highly effective. Internal virality within companies is also key; for example, collaborative document features in products like Airtable or Slack encourage broader adoption by allowing seamless sharing and interaction across teams and even external parties. For B2B products, building trust through social proof, such as endorsements from well-known companies or media mentions in authoritative publications, is critical. Regarding product quality, growth and quality are not mutually exclusive but deeply intertwined. A poor-quality product with many bugs will invariably lead to user churn, hindering growth. Founders must understand the core drivers of both growth and retention to effectively balance immediate growth initiatives with addressing underlying quality issues and customer satisfaction.

Growth and Monetization Tactics Cheat Sheet

Practical takeaways from this episode

Do This

Align monetization with user value and repeat usage.
Implement early monetization to gain knowledge for paid marketing experiments.
Focus on building supply first in marketplaces, then attract demand.
Carefully curate initial supply in marketplaces for quality.
Ask users for feedback via direct phone calls or open-ended questions.
Prioritize user experience and trust-building in new platforms.
Integrate referral programs into the user workflow where they are likely to be seen.
Ensure referral incentives are meaningful to both parties ($15+ threshold suggested).
Use paid marketing strategically, especially for initial customer acquisition.
Develop consumer-grade growth tactics for B2B SaaS products.
Build virality into the product itself (e.g., collaboration, embeddable content).
Focus on what drives growth and retention by understanding user happiness.
If targeting new keywords with SEO, ensure they have sufficient search volume and are not overly competitive.
For uncertain MVP demand, ask potential customers if they are willing to pay.

Avoid This

Don't rely on advertising as the primary business model if competing with Google/Facebook.
Don't expect to figure out monetization later if starting with paid growth.
Don't implement monetization models that inherently hurt growth (e.g., just unlocking features).
Don't rely solely on basic analytics; use specialized event analytics tools.
Don't automate early sales or customer service processes; do things manually to learn.
Don't make assumptions when gathering user feedback; ask open-ended questions.
Don't scale paid marketing without knowing your ROI on acquired users.
Don't launch a marketplace without artificially creating some initial supply.
Don't put referral program CTAs in obscure places like settings menus.
Don't expect referral programs to work for one-time use products without high engagement.
Don't start with paid marketing if you can't afford to reacquire users organically later.
Don't use 'dark patterns' that solely manipulate psychology without real value.
Don't focus solely on growth and neglect product quality and bug fixes.
Don't expect to rank for highly competitive, established SEO keywords immediately.
Don't rely on short-lived organic social media tactics; focus on paid ads.
Don't offer year-long free trials; a month or two is usually sufficient.
Don't build a sustainable company solely on ad revenue from non-engaged users.

Common Questions

Historically, platforms like LinkedIn, Twitter, and Facebook grew using viral invites, word-of-mouth, email, and SEO. For products where value increases with more users, reaching the first million users is critical, often achieved through non-paid channels before considering monetization.

Topics

Mentioned in this video

Companies
LinkedIn

An early social product that grew through email and SEO, demonstrating how network effects are crucial. Its early days were described as 'useless' without a network.

Snapchat

Mentioned as an example of a social product that grew in its early days without paid marketing.

Gusto

A payroll software company mentioned as an example of a successful B2B referral program, offering $500 cash to founders who refer other businesses.

Segment

A tool that can be used to integrate analytics platforms like Amplitude or Mixpanel.

Lyft

Used as an example for marketplaces and referral programs. Its early days were radical and required friend recommendations.

Amplitude

An event analytics tool recommended for early-stage companies to understand user behavior and product flow, beyond the capabilities of Google Analytics.

Mixpanel

An event analytics tool recommended for early-stage companies.

Metro push

A company offering a service to send push notifications from public broadcasters, questioning the effectiveness of a one-year free trial reliant on ads.

Facebook

A major advertising platform that has shifted its tactics, making it harder for new companies to achieve free growth. Used as an example for paid marketing and social media ads.

Twitter

Mentioned as an early social product that grew through word-of-mouth and viral invites, rather than paid marketing, before shifting to advertising. Also a source for questions.

Google

One of the dominant advertising platforms; competing with them is difficult. Also mentioned as a primary channel for search marketing and SEO.

Airbnb

Gustav Alströmer worked on growth and products at Airbnb for nearly five years. The platform is used as an example for referral programs and scaling a marketplace.

Kefir Labs

The company of one of the questioners, asking how to reach and educate people on unfamiliar products like probiotic kefir.

Substack

A platform that enables creators to charge for email newsletters, demonstrating growing user comfort with microtransactions and subscription models.

Lounge Looks

A business providing online tools for home-based beauty and grooming professionals. Their current acquisition channels are cold outreach and DMs, seeking scalable methods.

Dropbox

Mentioned as a trusted brand whose use of a new payroll software would encourage adoption.

Uber

Used as an example for marketplaces, referral programs, and subsidized rides. Its early days were radical and required friend recommendations.

Aply

An online marketplace for founders to test experiments with target audiences, serving as an example of a marketplace strategy.

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