Key Moments
How to Build Products Users Love with Kevin Hale (How to Start a Startup 2014: Lecture 7)
Key Moments
Build products users love by focusing on user experience, relationships, and support-driven development.
Key Insights
Cultivate passionate user bases by creating products users love, not just use.
Prioritize 'enchanting quality' beyond basic functionality in product design.
Treat new user acquisition like dating and existing user retention like marriage.
Integrate customer support directly into the development process (Support Driven Development).
Focus on reducing the 'knowledge gap' for users through intuitive design and resources.
Long-term success hinges on customer intimacy and emotional connection, not just price or product features.
THE ESSENCE OF PRODUCTS USERS LOVE
Kevin Hale defines 'products users love' as those that foster a passionate user base unconditionally invested in the product and company's success. He contrasts this with simply building products people 'use.' This approach moves beyond a purely mathematical view of growth (conversion rate vs. churn) to a more human-centered perspective. The core philosophy is that focusing on the values that help acquire the first user and the first dollar is the most effective path to significant long-term success, an idea he cultivated through his experience with Wufoo, a successful online form builder acquired by SurveyMonkey.
THE ART OF FIRST IMPRESSIONS AND ENCHANTING QUALITY
Hale likens acquiring new users to dating, emphasizing the critical role of first impressions. Origin stories, like the first kiss or how a couple met, are retold and shape relationships. Similarly, a product's initial interactions—the first email, login experience, or customer support contact—are crucial opportunities to 'seduce' users. He introduces two Japanese concepts of quality: 'at-tashi' (taken-for-granted quality/functionality) and 'me-doki' (enchanting quality). Products with me-doki offer pleasure beyond mere function, like a pen's weight or ink flow, making the user experience delightful and memorable, similar to Wufoo's dinosaur login or Vimeo's interactive elements.
MARRIAGE: FOSTERING LONG-TERM USER RELATIONSHIPS
Extending the relationship analogy, Hale compares retaining existing users to a successful marriage. He draws on marriage researcher John Gottman's work, which identifies key predictors of relationship success or failure. Gottman found that successful couples don't avoid conflict but manage it constructively. Hale maps common marital conflicts (money, kids, sex, time, jealousy, in-laws) to customer support issues (pricing, billing, performance, competition, partnerships). Ignoring these issues, particularly through 'stonewalling' or lack of response in customer support, is a major cause of churn and relationship breakdown. Proactive, empathetic customer support is vital for long-term retention.
SUPPORT DRIVEN DEVELOPMENT: CLOSING THE FEEDBACK LOOP
A significant problem in startups is the 'broken feedback loop,' where technical founders become divorced from the consequences of their actions post-launch. To combat this, Hale advocates for 'Support Driven Development' (SDD), a practice where everyone, including engineers and designers, participates in customer support. This direct exposure to user problems and feedback creates accountability and humility, leading to higher quality software. SDD fixes the feedback loop by making the builders the supporters, ensuring they understand user pain points firsthand and are motivated to fix bugs and improve the product based on real user interactions.
REDUCING THE KNOWLEDGE GAP FOR INTUITIVE PRODUCTS
Hale introduces Jared Spool's concept of the 'knowledge gap'—the difference between a user's current understanding and the knowledge needed to effectively use an application. He argues that the common approach of adding more features often widens this gap. Instead, focus should be on reducing it by making the app more intuitive. Wufoo spent 30% of its engineering time on internal tools and self-help resources like FAQs and contextual help links. Redesigning documentation, like Wufoo's magazine-style guides or Stripe's integrated API key examples, significantly reduces customer support load and improves user experience, highlighting the power of investing in usability.
MAINTAINING PASSION AND DELIVERING VALUE
Sustaining user engagement requires continuous effort, likened to the second law of thermodynamics where energy must be continually added to prevent systems from running down. While blogs and newsletters are common, they often reach only a small percentage of users. Wufoo implemented a 'Wu Alert System' that notified users of new features upon login, showcasing constant improvement and reinforcing value. This created a perception of ongoing development and a strong return on their subscription. Additionally, handwritten thank-you notes, a practice stemming from a personal anecdote about receiving better Christmas gifts after sending notes, became a weekly ritual that fostered team cohesion and user appreciation.
THE PATH TO MARKET DOMINANCE THROUGH CUSTOMER INTIMACY
Hale references a Harvard Business Review article outlining three paths to market dominance: best price, best product, or best overall solution (customer intimacy). While price and product dominance require significant resources, customer intimacy is accessible to all companies, regardless of stage or funding. It requires humility and good manners. Wufoo's success, demonstrated by its high investor return relative to funding, was largely due to this customer-centric approach. By focusing on understanding and delighting users, companies can compete effectively and achieve remarkable growth, often driven by word-of-mouth rather than expensive marketing campaigns.
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Building Products Users Love: Key Takeaways
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User Support Metrics at Wufoo
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| Support Channel | User Volume (Approx.) | Response Time (9 AM - 9 PM) | Response Time (9 PM - Midnight) | Response Time (Weekend) |
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| Direct Support (10 people for 500,000 users) | 400 issues/week (800 emails) | 7-12 minutes | 1 hour | 24 hours |
Emotional State vs. Browser Type Feedback at Wufoo
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| Field | Fill Rate (%) |
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| Emotional State | 75.8 |
| Browser Type | 78.1 |
Impact of Documentation Redesign at Wufoo
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| Action | Result |
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| Redesigned documentation (AB tested) | Reduced customer support by 30% overnight |
Jared Spool's Guidelines for Direct User Exposure
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| Frequency | Duration | Requirement |
|---|---|---|
| Minimum every six weeks | At least two hours | Direct, real-time interaction (not through reports/graphs) |
Wufoo's Developer User Exposure vs. Spool's Guidelines
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| Source | Exposure Time per Week |
|---|---|
| Wufoo Developers | 4-8 hours |
| Jared Spool's Minimum | 2 hours (every six weeks) |
Market Dominance Strategies (HBR Article)
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| Strategy | Focus Area | Example Companies |
|---|---|---|
| Best Price | Logistics | Walmart, Amazon |
| Best Product | R&D | Apple |
| Best Overall Solution | Customer Intimacy | Luxury Brands, Hospitality |
Common Questions
Kevin Hale defines building products users love as creating things with a passionate user base that users unconditionally want to see succeed. This goes beyond mere functionality and focuses on building a relationship with the user, making them feel emotionally invested in the product and company.
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Mentioned in this video
Forged a custom battle axe for Wufoo's API programming contest, which became a unique and engaging incentive.
An online form builder company, founded by Kevin Hale, which provided simple, user-friendly forms and was acquired by SurveyMonkey.
A startup accelerator program that Kevin Hale attended and later became a partner at.
Cited as a quintessential example of a company focused on 'best product' market dominance through R&D.
Highlighted for its API documentation, which proactively includes users' API credentials to simplify the copy-paste process.
Mentioned in the context of focusing on a niche audience (design bloggers) initially to build a user base.
Utilized for sharing simple text files that served as to-do lists for employees at Wufoo.
A former social network for wine lovers, used as an example of a sign-up form with personality and wit.
Cited as an example of a company focused on the 'best price' market dominance strategy through logistics.
Mentioned as an example of a company that forces a uniform, uninspired login form across its products.
Used as an example of a company that initially relied heavily on founder-led customer support and later scaled by matching capacity to demand.
Cited as an example of a company focused on the 'best price' market dominance strategy through logistics.
Mentioned as a company where Paul English implemented the practice of engineers handling customer support.
A website for checking HTTP requests, used as an example of turning error pages (like 404s) into opportunities for thoughtful design.
Praised for redesigning its help guides to look like magazine covers, which increased readership and reduced support load.
The company that acquired Wufoo in 2013.
Its sign-up page is used as an example of how to convey ease of use and scalability through design.
A video-sharing platform whose early login page and in-app features were highlighted as examples of 'enchanting quality'.
A website recommended for its collection of screenshots showcasing software design that is conscientious of users.
A marriage researcher whose work on relationship dynamics and predictors of divorce is used as a metaphor for customer support and long-term user relationships.
Co-author of a Harvard Business Review article on market leadership strategies.
Author whose books have featured the work of John Gottman.
Co-author of a Harvard Business Review article on market leadership strategies.
Mentioned for her talk on the disconnect between user emotions and online support reactions, influencing Wufoo's emotional state dropdown experiment.
User interface engineering expert whose research on direct user exposure and its correlation with design quality is cited.
Credited with advocating for integrating customer support into engineering floors at Kayak to fix bugs.
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