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#118 – Lloyd Klickstein, M.D., Ph.D.: Rapamycin, mTOR inhibition, and the biology of aging
Key Moments
Rapamycin, mTOR inhibition, and aging research: clinical trials, drug mechanisms, and future directions.
Key Insights
Rapamycin's complex interaction with mTOR complexes (mTORC1 and mTORC2) influences various cellular processes, with differing effects based on dose and schedule.
The 2014 Manic Klickstein paper was pivotal in shifting the perspective on rapamycin's potential for longevity, moving from animal models to human studies.
Targeting aging through disease intervention, rather than directly targeting aging, is a key strategy, with potential side effects including longevity.
Intermittent dosing of rapamycin or its analogs shows promise for beneficial effects, such as improved immune response and reduced infections, while continuous dosing may lead to undesirable outcomes.
RestorBio is developing RTB-101 (bez235), a catalytic mTOR inhibitor, showing promise in reducing respiratory tract infections in elderly individuals.
The development of selective mTORC1 inhibitors and understanding the role of immunophilins in drug binding are crucial for optimizing therapeutic strategies.
DNA methylation clocks, like the Horvath clock, offer a way to measure biological aging, but their response to rapamycin analogs is still under investigation.
Research into the role of mTOR inhibition in conditions like depression and its interaction with other pathways, such as ketamine's effects, is ongoing.
THE PIVOTAL ROLE OF THE MANIC/KLICKSTEIN PAPER AND THE EVOLUTION OF RAPAMYCIN RESEARCH
The conversation highlights the significance of a 2014 paper by Manic and Klickstein, which served as a turning point in understanding rapamycin's potential for longevity, shifting focus from purely animal studies to human applications. Prior to this, rapamycin showed promise in animal models, but this research provided a crucial bridge, influencing Peter Attia's perspective and initiating further investigation into its clinical utility for aging-related interventions.
UNDERSTANDING MTOR COMPLEXES AND RAPAMYCIN'S MECHANISM OF ACTION
MTOR (mechanistic target of rapamycin) acts as a master regulator integrating nutrient and growth factor signals to control cellular growth or conservation. It exists in two main complexes: mTORC1, regulating protein synthesis and lipid biosynthesis, and mTORC2, controlling cytoskeletal organization. Rapamycin, via an FKBP-binding protein complex, primarily inhibits mTORC1, affecting protein translation and autophagy, with potential indirect or delayed effects on mTORC2.
CLINICAL TRIALS AND THE DOSE-DEPENDENT EFFECTS OF RAPAMYCIN ANALOGS
Clinical studies, like the one discussed involving everolimus (rad001), explore different dosing regimens to optimize rapamycin's effects. While high, continuous doses can lead to immunosuppression and metabolic changes (hyperglycemia, hypertriglyceridemia), intermittent or lower-dose strategies show promise in modulating immune function beneficially. This includes improving vaccine responses and potentially reducing infections without severe immunosuppression.
RESTORBIO'S DEVELOPMENT OF TARGETED THERAPIES FOR AGING-ASSOCIATED DISEASES
RestorBio's focus is on developing drugs that target the biology of aging, primarily through mTOR inhibition, to address age-related diseases. Their lead compound, RTB-101 (bez235), a catalytic mTOR inhibitor, has shown potential in reducing respiratory tract infections in elderly populations. This approach aims for longevity as a side effect of treating serious age-associated conditions, shifting the paradigm from directly treating 'aging' to treating its consequences.
SELECTIVE MTORC1 INHIBITION AND NOVEL DRUG DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIES
The pursuit of selective mTORC1 inhibition is critical to maximize therapeutic benefits while minimizing side effects. Research, including studies on different FKBP binding affinities, explores compounds that target mTORC1 without significantly impacting mTORC2. This includes developing catalytic inhibitors and understanding the complex interplay between rapamycin, immunophilins, and mTOR complexes to refine drug design and dosing strategies for greater specificity.
THE IMPLICATIONS OF MTOR INHIBITION FOR IMMUNE FUNCTION AND INFECTION PREVENTION
Studies suggest that specific mTOR inhibition strategies, particularly intermittent dosing, can enhance certain aspects of immune function. This includes improving responses to vaccinations and reducing the incidence of respiratory tract infections. The mechanism appears to involve upregulating antiviral gene expression, suggesting a positive modulation of innate immunity rather than simply suppressing adaptive immunity, which is beneficial for combating infections in vulnerable populations.
EXPLORING THE INTERPLAY BETWEEN AGING BIOLOGY, METABOLISM, AND MTOR
The conversation touches upon the parallels between rapamycin's effects and those of fasting or caloric restriction, both of which impact mTOR activity. Experiments in older rats showed impaired mTOR suppression during fasting compared to young rats, suggesting a potential age-related decline in response to nutrient reduction. This highlights the complex relationship between metabolism, aging, and the efficacy of interventions targeting conserved cellular pathways like mTOR.
THE ROLE OF EPIGENETIC CLOCKS AND THE FUTURE OF LONGEVITY RESEARCH
Epigenetic clocks, such as the Horvath clock, measure biological age through DNA methylation patterns. While interventions like growth hormone, DHEA, and metformin have been explored for their potential to reverse these clocks, their efficacy in healthy individuals and specific mechanisms remain areas of active research. The potential impact of rapamycin analogs on these epigenetic markers is also an intriguing, albeit largely unexplored, avenue for longevity science.
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mTOR (mechanistic target of Rapamycin) acts as the master integrator of nutrient and growth factor availability, making decisions for cells to either grow (protein, lipid, nucleic acid synthesis) or conserve resources, recycle, and wait during scarce times. Its role in regulating cellular processes makes it a key target in longevity research. (Timestamp: 1327)
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A prominent scientist in the field of mTOR research, credited with identifying mTOR in mammals and elucidating its two different complexes (TORC1 and TORC2).
Another leading researcher in the field of aging and Rapamycin, mentioned for his work on Rapamycin in dogs.
Host of The Drive podcast and interviewee.
Colleague of Lloyd Klickstein who facilitated the introduction for the podcast, and recruited Klickstein to lead the musculoskeletal department at Novartis Institutes.
Scientist recognized for her pioneering work on CRISPR technology.
Guest of the podcast, Chief Scientific Officer at Restore Bio, previously at Novartis and Brigham and Women's Hospital. Senior author on a pivotal 2014 paper on Rapamycin.
Lead author on the December 2014 paper that was pivotal in the speaker's understanding of Rapamycin for longevity, and later became a champion of the Restore Bio program.
Founder of the Novartis Institutes, credited with challenging Lloyd Klickstein and others to explore new areas of drug development, including the biology of aging.
Russian scientist and embryologist who did pioneering work on phagocytes and cellular immunity in the late 1800s.
Researcher who leads the TAME study, aiming to evaluate the benefits of Metformin in non-diabetics for aging-related diseases.
German scientist who, along with others, worked on humoral immunity (antibodies) at the same time Ilya Mechnikov was researching cellular immunity.
Author of a recent paper from David Sabatini's lab, which explored selective mTORC1 inhibition and how rapamycin analogs bind to different immunophilins.
Author of a paper on unpaired hemoglobins in thalassemia patients, providing a new clinical paradigm for testing drugs that augment autophagy.
Researcher whose work on fasting in mice (e.g., prior to femoral artery ligation) demonstrated significant survival benefits.
Targeting Aging with Metformin, a study led by Nir Barzilai to investigate if Metformin can prevent or delay age-related diseases in non-diabetic individuals.
The institution where Lloyd Klickstein received his MD PhD and was an academic physician, also a 'primitive academic environment' according to Klickstein due to funding models for physician-scientists.
The code name for Everolimus in the 2014 paper, a rapalog tested in patients for its impact on immune function.
Another rapalog, mentioned as a different molecule than Rapamune or Everolimus.
A phosphodiesterase-5 (PDE5) inhibitor drug used as an example to explain drug exposure, half-life, peak and trough levels.
An aminoglycoside antibiotic used as an example of a drug that produces toxicity by its trough levels, requiring drug-free time for organ recovery.
A compound originally identified on Easter Island and a key focus of the discussion, known for its ability to inhibit mTOR and its potential longevity effects, distinct from its immunosuppressive uses.
Another PDE5 inhibitor, mentioned in contrast to Cialis for its shorter half-life.
Also known as avarolamus, a rapamycin analog (rapalog) which was the specific drug used in the 2014 Manick/Klickstein study (referred to as rad001).
The specific drug by Pfizer (originally Wyeth) that was FDA approved in 1999 for transplantation, often used by the host in residency.
A drug with interesting antidepressant properties, specifically for recalcitrant depression, and speculated to activate mTOR.
A drug that is excellent for diabetics and has shown retrospective data of longevity in treated diabetics, but its benefit in perfectly healthy individuals is questioned due to its potential adverse effects on mitochondrial function.
The institution where Lloyd Klickstein received his bachelor's degree.
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, whose surveillance experiments indicate rhinovirus is the most common cause of respiratory tract infections.
A flagship program at Harvard where Lloyd Klickstein was an academic physician, and also worked in a laboratory earlier in his career.
The newspaper that sent an embargoed copy of the 2014 paper to the host, highlighting its significance.
A biotech company that uses an mTOR activator to treat depression, and is known by Lloyd Klickstein.
A clinical-stage biopharmaceutical company focused on developing medicines that target mTOR inhibition. Lloyd Klickstein is their Chief Scientific Officer.
A major pharmaceutical company where Lloyd Klickstein previously served as Global Head of Translational Medicine for the new indication discovery unit.
Mechanistic Target of Rapamycin, a master integrator of nutrient and growth factor availability that regulates cell growth, protein synthesis, lipid synthesis, and resource conservation.
One of the compounds in a cocktail studied for its effect on the epigenetic clock, noted for its ability to enlarge the thymus and its biological activity driven by IGF-1.
A substance in the blood that upregulates many proteins involved in preventing viral infections, activated by mTOR inhibition to decrease respiratory tract infections.
Clustered Regularly Interspersed Short Palindromic Repeats, a Nobel Prize-winning technology for gene editing, used as an example of basic science with unexpected practical applications.
A biological clock that estimates age by looking at methylation patterns on peripheral blood leukocyte DNA. Used in a recent study that claimed to set back the clock with a cocktail of drugs.
A specific example of a non-transplant/non-malignant disease where rapalogs like RAD001 were tested, showing biochemical changes in patients' blood.
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