Key Moments
Drug Testing, New Supplement Research, Squat Science, and Dr. Eric Helms (Podcast Episode 8)
Key Moments
Podcast discusses drug testing, supplement research, squat science, and bodybuilding.
Key Insights
The podcast begins with a humorous resolution to a dispute about who started the first fitness podcast, acknowledging that while other fitness audio content existed, theirs was the "first fitness podcast" in spirit.
Advancements in athlete drug testing are discussed, including the biological passport, carbon isotope ratio testing, and increased sensitivity of metabolite tests, making it harder to beat.
New research suggests that high protein intake can theoretically contribute to de novo lipogenesis, challenging the idea of unlimited protein consumption without fat gain.
A study on ecdysterone supplementation showed promising results for strength, body weight, and muscle mass, but the small sample size and low actual ingredient content raise questions about its efficacy.
Squat science research indicates that deep squats lead to significant hypertrophy in quads, adductors, and glutes, with minimal hamstring growth, emphasizing the adductors' role as primary hip extensors.
Dr. Eric Helms shares insights on bodybuilding contest prep, highlighting a shift towards qualitative indicators and managing training intensity and volume, while also discussing the nuanced health aspects of the sport.
THE PODCAST ORIGINS DEBATE AND DRUG TESTING ADVANCEMENTS
The episode kicks off with a lighthearted clarification regarding the "first fitness podcast" claim, humorously admitting to the existence of prior fitness-related audio content but maintaining their podcast's unique status. This segues into a detailed discussion on the evolving landscape of athlete drug testing. Key advancements like bio-passports, carbon isotope ratio testing, and more sensitive metabolite detection windows are highlighted, illustrating how modern testing methods have become significantly more sophisticated and difficult to circumvent compared to earlier eras.
RESEARCH ROUNDUP: PROTEIN OVERFEEDING AND SUPPLEMENTAL INGREDIENTS
The discussion shifts to recent research on protein overfeeding. Studies are presented suggesting that high protein intake might contribute to de novo lipogenesis, challenging the notion that protein can be consumed limitlessly without impacting fat storage. Diet-induced thermogenesis is also explored, noting variations based on protein type and dosage. A surprising study on ecdysterone supplementation is reviewed, which indicated positive effects on strength and muscle mass despite the supplement containing significantly less of the active ingredient than labeled, prompting skepticism about its true efficacy and the need for more research.
SQUAT SCIENCE AND MUSCLE HYPERTROPHY FINDINGS
The podcast delves into the biomechanics and hypertrophy effects of squat training. A key study revealed that deep squats provide substantial stimulus for quad, adductor, and gluteus maximus hypertrophy, while hamstrings show minimal growth. This research supports the idea that adductors play a crucial role as hip extensors during squats, especially in deeper ranges of motion. The findings also reinforce that squats are effective for glute development, though perhaps not to the extent some might assume, and strongly suggest they are not a primary driver of hamstring hypertrophy.
INTERVIEW WITH DR. ERIC HELMS: BODYBUILDING CONTEST PREP STRATEGIES
Dr. Eric Helms joins the podcast to discuss bodybuilding. He shares his current contest prep approach, which emphasizes qualitative indicators of progress over strict daily macro tracking, particularly in the earlier stages, before implementing specific calorie targets closer to the competition. Helms discusses managing life events alongside intense preparation and the strategic use of low and high calorie days to optimize fat loss while preserving recovery and performance, especially during a long prep phase.
TRAINING FREQUENCY AND THE BODYBUILDING ETHOS
Dr. Helms advocates for training muscle groups at least twice per week, challenging the common bodybuilding practice of training each muscle group only once weekly. He suggests that spreading volume across more frequent sessions can manage fatigue better, leading to superior long-term progress. Helms also touches upon the inherent 'masochistic' ethos often found in bodybuilding, where intense, grueling sessions are prioritized, and contrasts this with a more balanced approach that allows for consistent progression and better overall management of recovery and stress.
THE NUANCES OF BODYBUILDING AND HEALTH CONSIDERATIONS
The conversation addresses the controversial perception of bodybuilding as inherently unhealthy. Helms argues for a more nuanced view, distinguishing between the sport's potential to exacerbate issues like eating disorders and its inherent nature. He highlights the benefits of 'lifestyle bodybuilding' and appreciative aesthetics, while acknowledging the significant health-performance trade-offs in competitive bodybuilding. The discussion emphasizes informed consent, understanding risks, and the positive health outcomes observed in some drug-free competitors, advocating for personal choice with full awareness of the consequences.
Mentioned in This Episode
●Supplements
●Products
●Organizations
●Books
●Studies Cited
●Concepts
●People Referenced
Ecdysteroid Supplement Study Outcomes (Eisenman et al.)
Data extracted from this episode
| Group | Body Weight Change (kg) | Muscle Mass Change (kg) | Back Squat Increase (%) | Bench Press Increase (kg) |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Placebo | 1.0 | -0.1 | 16 | 3 |
| Low Dose Ecdysteroid | 2.5 | 1.5 | 18 | 10 |
| High Dose Ecdysteroid | 3.0 | 2.0 | 19 | 8 |
Common Questions
While the hosts have previously asserted they were the first, they clarify that there were other fitness-related audio pieces before them. However, in their 'cinematic universe,' they still consider themselves the first, requiring an interpretation of 'true' versus 'factually correct.'
Topics
Mentioned in this video
Alleged to have started a 'copycat fitness podcast' with Eric Helms.
Holds the world record squat in the weight class below Amanda Lawrence, offering context for Lawrence's impressive lift.
Reigning World's Strongest Man champion who was defeated by Martins Licis, partly due to injury.
Mentioned in an analogy relating to a diplomatic meeting.
Broke the IPF world record total and squat record in the 83kg class.
Untested lifter from Russia, squatted 360kg (794lbs) at 83kg bodyweight and holds the world record at 345kg.
His doping case is discussed to highlight how drug testing methods have significantly advanced since the 1990s and early 2000s.
Guest on the Iron Culture podcast, discussing steroids.
Host of the Stronger By Science podcast.
Took the IPF world record squat with 243kg (535lbs) in the 84kg class.
Powerlifting coach, mentioned regarding his emphasis on hamstrings in squat training, particularly box squats.
Eric Helms' coach during his current bodybuilding prep, guiding his calorie intake and training adjustments.
Co-founder of 3DMJ, planning on competing on stage during the 10-year anniversary of 3DMJ.
Controversial figure in fitness, whose idea about nutritionists needing to speak in a swimsuit is referenced jokingly.
Guest host of the Stronger By Science podcast and co-founder of Stronger By Science. Co-hosts the Iron Culture podcast and is the R&D head for 3D Muscle Journey.
Guest on the podcast, a doctor, research fellow at a sports performance institute in New Zealand, R&D head for 3D Muscle Journey, co-founder of MASS, and co-host of Iron Culture. Discusses his bodybuilding prep and training philosophy.
Mentioned in an analogy comparing a meeting with Eric Helms to a diplomatic meeting between world leaders.
A lifter who previously held world records in the 83kg class before leaving the USAPL.
A lifter who previously held world records in the 83kg class.
Mentioned as the only other 600-pound squatter in drug-tested female powerlifting.
Untested female lifter who squat 293kg (645lbs) in the gym, exceeding her current world record.
Set a new world record bench press of 215.5kg (nearly 500lbs) in the 83kg class.
Broke junior and senior Pan-American and American weightlifting records, snatching 154kg and clean and jerking 193kg.
Strongman who defeated Hafthor Bjornsson to win World's Strongest Man, praised as a fan favorite and a strong competitor.
The last American to win World's Strongest Man before Martins Licis.
Female strongwoman who deadlifted 260kg (570+lbs) conventionally, setting a new world record at her bodyweight.
A top super heavyweight powerlifter in the IPF who recently failed a drug test for multiple banned substances.
Mentioned as an incredibly dominant powerlifter, making it difficult for others like Kelly Branton to be perennial champions.
A lawyer who represents athletes in appealing failed drug tests, and has dealt with cases of tainted supplements.
Interviewed in a previous episode about HMB research.
One of Eric Helms' PhD students in New Zealand.
Former baseball player mentioned in a disambiguation attempt for the 'Teixeira' surname.
One of Eric Helms' PhD students in New Zealand.
Former Serbian and Yugoslavian president, mentioned in a hyperbolic comparison to Eric Helms's alleged 'war crimes' for promoting bodybuilding.
Ivan Jukic's partner, also doing a PhD with Eric Helms.
Guest on the Iron Culture podcast, discussing steroids.
One of Eric Helms' PhD students, doing his PhD with him.
Attended the Sports Nutrition Australia conference alongside Eric Helms.
Co-author with Eric Helms on MASS, and involved in a study Eric Helms completed at FAU.
Previously discussed on the podcast, with the hosts jokingly claiming the FDA responded directly to their episode on it.
A fungus ("Rippon tucum" in transcript) mentioned as a natural source of ecdysteroids.
An amino acid that did not show evidence of de novo lipogenesis in an in vitro experiment, unlike other amino acids.
A milk-derived protein type, compared to whey in a study on diet-induced thermogenesis.
An amino acid identified in an in vitro experiment to potentially contribute to de novo lipogenesis with high protein intake.
An amino acid identified in an in vitro experiment to potentially contribute to de novo lipogenesis with high protein intake. Also a component in the ecdysterone study, but in a negligible amount.
A milk-derived protein type, compared to casein in a study on diet-induced thermogenesis.
A supplement previously researched by Peter H. Fitschen. Two new studies show minimal effects on hypertrophy, suggesting previous claims of enormous changes were atypical.
Also referred to as 'FD sterone' in the title. A class of compounds found in insects and plants (like spinach and Rhaponticum carthamoides), structurally similar to mammalian steroids and found in some in vitro research to increase muscle protein synthesis. A recent study (Eisenman et al.) showed moderate gains, but the supplement was significantly underdosed compared to its label claims.
A class of substances that stimulate the secretion of growth hormone, found in Kelly Branton's failed drug test.
An oral anabolic steroid, its metabolites were found in Kelly Branton's drug test. Used as a comparison for ecdysteroid potency.
A class of drugs that acts like anabolic steroids, also found in Kelly Branton's drug test and discussed for their prevalence in mislabeled supplements.
A stimulant with anabolic properties, mentioned as a substance found in tainted supplements and pork.
Supplements marketed as anabolic agents, found to frequently contain unlisted banned substances.
Where Van Wagoner et al. (2017) study on SARMs was published.
Referenced regarding a past discussion about CBD press releases and their responsiveness to the podcast.
University where Eric Helms completed his last study, with Dr. Mike Zourdos.
Bodybuilding federation that Eric Helms mentions potentially competing with in Singapore and New York.
Mentioned frequently in the feats of strength segment regarding world records in powerlifting.
The US national governing body for powerlifting.
The international agency responsible for anti-doping in sport; approves supplements and collects samples for 10 years.
The national anti-doping agency for the United States, mentioned in relation to testing supplements.
Russian intelligence agency, whose agents were involved in physically swapping urine samples during the Sochi Olympics doping scandal.
Location where Eric Trexler and Eric Helms once attended a conference, and where a heart health study on contest prep was conducted.
An affiliate of ISSN in Australia, hosts a sports nutrition conference attended by Eric Helms.
A monthly publication co-authored by Eric Helms and Greg Nuckols, providing evidence-based articles and videos for strength and conditioning professionals and athletes.
The university in New Zealand where Eric Helms works as a research fellow and where his PhD students are based.
Eric Helms' current residence, where his mother recently moved, and a location for a potential local bodybuilding show.
Sports Nutrition Australia is mentioned as an affiliate of ISSN.
An amino acid identified in an in vitro experiment to potentially contribute to de novo lipogenesis with high protein intake.
A plant mentioned as a natural source of ecdysteroids.
Compared to ecdysterone to illustrate the half-life and potency differences, used in historical steroid research.
Proposed mechanism of action for ecdysteroids, speculated by the authors of the Eisenman et al. study.
Mentioned as the location of a meeting between Donald Trump and Kim Jong-un for an analogy.
Mentioned in the context of the Sochi Olympics doping scandal, where their state-sponsored doping program was notorious.
Eric Helms traveled to Australia for the Sports Nutrition Australia conference.
Potential location for a WBF show where Eric Helms might compete while presenting there.
Location of WBF Worlds, which Eric Helms might consider competing in if his prep goes well long-term.
Study published in JAMA investigating products marketed as SARMs, finding high rates of mislabeling and unapproved drug content.
A study demonstrating that high protein feeding can induce de novo lipogenesis, challenging the idea that protein cannot contribute to fat gain.
A study showing that diet-induced thermogenesis varies based on protein quantity and type (e.g., whey vs. casein), complicating the simple view of protein's thermic effect.
Study titled 'Metabolic adaptation is not observed after eight weeks of over feeding but energy expenditure variability is associated with weight recovery,' indicating large individual differences in response to overfeeding.
One of two recent studies on HMB that found minimal effects on hypertrophy, supporting skepticism about its efficacy.
One of two recent studies on HMB that found minimal effects on hypertrophy, supporting skepticism about its efficacy.
Study titled 'Ecdysteroids as non-conventional anabolic agents: performance enhancement by ecdysterone supplements in humans,' which found some effects on strength and muscle mass, but the supplement used had only 6% of the labeled active ingredient.
Study titled 'Effects of squat training with different depths on lower limb muscle volumes,' reviewed for its findings on muscle hypertrophy of various lower body muscles during squatting.
One of two other studies mentioned that also measured quad and hamstring hypertrophy after squat training, aligning with the finding of minimal hamstring growth.
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